Appchains Vs. L1s: What is Crypto's Endgame? With Illia Polosukhin
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Appchains Vs. L1s: What is Crypto's Endgame? With Illia Polosukhin

One of our favorite pods as we were able to tackle two birds with one stone, the appchains vs. sharded L1s debate as well as key insights into the state of AI from Illia Polosukhin.


The key questions we discussed is whether apps should continue to rely on shared, sharded chains, like NEAR, or if there’s a stronger case for each app eventually becoming its own chain.


This raises important considerations around sovereignty, composability, and scalability.


At the core of this discussion is the idea that users want more control over their assets and a seamless, composable experience across different platforms. While singlechain solutions like OP Stack Chains or Cosmos SDK offer some flexibility, they often face significant scalability and interoperability challenges. This is where sharding, especially in protocols like Near, can provide a more scalable solution without sacrificing user experience. Their recent advancements, such as Chain Signatures and Nightshade V2, are paving the way for more efficient scaling.


But, isn't this the same thing? Where do you draw the line between apps sharing global state vs. composability and sovereignty?


What about customizability?


For the first half of the pod, Andy and Illia went back and forth debating the tradeoffs of appchains vs. sharded L1s, and ended up on common ground. Then, for the second half Robbie, Andy, and Illia discussed the rise of user-owned AI.


They discussed how the role of AI is becoming increasingly relevant in the blockchain space. The concept of "user-owned AI" is emerging, where AI tools could help reduce the complexity of building and maintaining infrastructure while giving users more control over their interactions. This shift towards AI could also play a significant role in improving security through formal verification, ensuring that smart contracts and protocols are more resilient against vulnerabilities.


We had the chance to ask Illia a ton of questions about his vision for AI going forward and were pleasantly surprised.


Very fun conversation starting off more technical and ending into more of the philosophical side with an focus on the evolution of AI. Enjoy!


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𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.

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DeFi By Design EP2: DAI Deep Dive

DeFi By Design EP2: DAI Deep Dive

Welcome to episode #2 of the DeFi By Design Podcast! On today’s episode we had the opportunity to host Kenton Prescott! Kenton is an Integrations Engineer at the Maker Foundation, which developed the Maker Protocol and is actively contributing to the MakerDAO ecosystem. Dai is an Ethereum-based stablecoin, pegged to the USD. It’s the world’s first global unbiased digital cash and is the core feature of the Maker Protocol. Kenton’s role is focused on improving the integration experience of Dai and Maker Vault functionality into supporting platforms, ranging from Crypto Wallets to Exchanges. As the oldest stable coin in the industry, Dai is foundational to Decentralized Finance (DeFi). Manifested through varying products such as borrowing, lending, prediction markets, and trading, DeFi is an ecosystem and movement that utilizes decentralized networks and open source software to improve financial systems through transparent, connectable protocols. Before joining Maker, Kenton was actively involved in rocket propulsion systems, working for SpaceX, Lockheed Martin, and a NASA-funded Cryogenic Fluids Lab during his Aerospace Engineering studies at the University of Florida. He is a self-taught coder and occasional adventurer. 𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗜𝘁𝗌 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗺𝗌𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗌𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗜𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl 𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.

27 HeinÀ 202038min

DeFi By Design EP. 1: Introductions & DeFi Now

DeFi By Design EP. 1: Introductions & DeFi Now

Welcome to the first episode of the DeFi By Design Podcast. In this shorter-than-usual episode, you’ll meet your podcast hosts Rob & Andrew! They discuss governance tokens, lending protocols and what they expect to see in the near future. Tune in now! 𝗪𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘆 𝗌𝘂𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝘁𝗌 𝗜𝗿𝗌𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗎𝗵-𝗟𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝘆, 𝗻𝗌𝗻-𝗯𝗶𝗮𝘀𝗲𝗱, 𝗲𝗱𝘂𝗰𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗌𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝗿𝘆𝗜𝘁𝗌 𝗲𝗰𝗌𝘀𝘆𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗺. 𝗊𝘂𝗜𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁 𝘂𝘀 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗺𝗌𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗯𝗌𝘂𝘁 𝗶𝗺𝗜𝗌𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗌𝗻𝗰𝗲𝗜𝘁𝘀 𝗯𝘆 𝗰𝗹𝗶𝗰𝗞𝗶𝗻𝗎 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗌𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗞𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗌𝘄 𝗳𝗌𝗿 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝘀𝗌𝘂𝗿𝗰𝗲𝘀: Website: https://therollup.co/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd. Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcast Follow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupco Follow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollup Follow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandy Join our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBh The Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl 𝗗𝗜𝗊𝗖𝗟𝗔𝗜𝗠𝗘𝗥: 𝘐𝘯𝘷𝘊𝘎𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘪𝘯 𝘀𝘳𝘺𝘱𝘵𝘰𝘀𝘶𝘳𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘀𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘋𝘊𝘍𝘪 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘎 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘊𝘎 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘪𝘯𝘩𝘊𝘳𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬𝘎 𝘪𝘯𝘀𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘵𝘊𝘀𝘩𝘯𝘪𝘀𝘢𝘭 𝘳𝘪𝘎𝘬, 𝘩𝘶𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘊. 𝘈𝘵 𝘀𝘊𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘚𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘊𝘭, 𝘞𝘊 𝘮𝘢𝘺 𝘊𝘢𝘳𝘯 𝘢 𝘀𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘪𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘊𝘊 𝘢𝘎 𝘢 𝘎𝘱𝘰𝘯𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎𝘩𝘪𝘱, 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘎 𝘪𝘎 𝘵𝘩𝘊 𝘀𝘢𝘎𝘊 𝘞𝘊 𝘞𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘢𝘭𝘞𝘢𝘺𝘎 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘊 𝘎𝘶𝘳𝘊 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘎 𝘀𝘭𝘊𝘢𝘳. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘎𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘀𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘯 𝘊𝘥𝘶𝘀𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘀𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘊𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮, 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘚 𝘞𝘊 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘊𝘳 𝘪𝘎 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘀𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘀𝘊. 𝘞𝘊 𝘢𝘳𝘊 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘊𝘎𝘎𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘎 𝘰𝘳 𝘭𝘪𝘀𝘊𝘯𝘎𝘊𝘥 𝘢𝘥𝘷𝘪𝘎𝘰𝘳𝘎.

12 HeinÀ 202015min