Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Teri Yates explores the nuances of choosing between an Office-Based Lab (OBL) and Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) for private practices. Teri is the CEO of Accountable Physician Advisors, a consulting firm which specializes in OBLs, ASCs, and hybrid models for private-practice physicians. She is also President of DocCentric, a company focused on supporting physicians building and leading their own ASCs. The discussion includes a comprehensive analysis of the financial, regulatory, and operational considerations for physicians contemplating this decision. This includes insights into reimbursement models, Medicare regulations, and the strategic advantages of each model. The episode also touches on the importance of feasibility studies, partnerships with other specialties, and real estate strategies when developing these facilities. The conversation provides valuable advice for navigating the complexities of ASC development and emphasizes the value of maintaining independence and leveraging physician-owned models for long-term success. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SHOW NOTES 00:00 - Introduction 04:19 - Deep Dive into OBL and ASC: Definitions, Differences, and Decisions 07:26 - Financial Implications of ASC vs. OBL 10:56 - Hybrid Model: Combining OBL and ASC for Flexibility 15:14 - Navigating the Complexities of ASC Development 20:03 - Real Estate Strategies for OBL and ASC Projects 22:50 - Staffing Considerations and Physician Entrepreneur Insights 35:17 - Future of OBL and ASC: Trends and Predictions 39:43 - Closing Thoughts and Resources for Further Learning --- RESOURCES Ambulatory Surgery Center Association: https://www.ascassociation.org/home OEIS Annual Meeting 2024 Las Vegas: https://oeisweb.com/meetings/2024-annual-meeting/ Accountable Physician Advisors (Teri’s consulting firm): http://www.accountablephysicianadvisors.com/services DocCentric: https://doccentricasc.com/ NOON Development Company: https://noondevelopment.com/ BT VI Episode #366 - Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid BT VI Episode #202 - Staffing the OBL with Dr. Krishna Mannava and Kristin Longwell: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/202/staffing-the-obl BT VI Episode #129 - OBL / ASC Business Pearls with Dr. Jim Melton: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/129/obl-asc-business-pearls BI VI Episode #121 - Office-Based Labs (OBLs) & What You Can Do in Them with Dr. Mike Watts: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/121/office-based-labs-obls-what-you-can-do-in-them BT VI Episode #42 - Building an Outpatient UFE Practice with Dr. Mary Costantino: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/36/building-an-outpatient-ufe-practice

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Ep. 609 Chronic Venous Disease Diagnosis & Management Strategies with Dr. Steven Abramowitz

Ep. 609 Chronic Venous Disease Diagnosis & Management Strategies with Dr. Steven Abramowitz

20 Tammi 50min

Ep. 608 Interventional Radiology Global Survey: Training & Awareness with Dr. Justin Guan and Dr. Constantinos Sofocleous

Ep. 608 Interventional Radiology Global Survey: Training & Awareness with Dr. Justin Guan and Dr. Constantinos Sofocleous

Patient access to interventional radiology services remains highly variable worldwide, reflecting global differences in training opportunities and infrastructure. Drawing on responses from more than 1,260 interventional radiologists worldwide, Dr. Justin Guan and Dr. Constantinos Sofocleous unpack the findings of a large international survey, highlighting where IR is advancing, where it remains fragmented, and what the data suggest about the future direction of the specialty. --- SYNPOSIS Key points of the episode involve the collaborative efforts put into this survey, how data was collected, and major findings from the respondents. These findings involve challenges with IR training, the significance of public awareness, and the need for standardized training programs. The discussion also covers the efforts required to promote IR globally, especially at global summits, and the potential steps to address these findings. Finally, the episode highlights the importance of developing region-specific programs and the ongoing efforts to elevate IR practices worldwide. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction01:57 - Global IR Network and Survey Introduction10:30 - Survey Insights and Results19:26 - Challenges in IR Training and Awareness23:33 - Future Directions and Initiatives36:06 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts --- RESOURCES Results of a Global Survey on the State of Interventional Radiology 2024: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39793699/

16 Tammi 38min

Ep. 607 Interventional Radiology Coding & Compliance Essentials with Dr. David Zielske

Ep. 607 Interventional Radiology Coding & Compliance Essentials with Dr. David Zielske

Are you getting paid for the work you do? In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, interventional radiology coding expert Dr. David Zielske joins host Dr. Ally Baheti to share practical tips for billing and coding in interventional radiology, focusing on accurate, efficient, and compliant revenue capture. --- SYNPOSIS Dr. Zielske shares his path to becoming a coding expert, highlighting why precise documentation is essential to accurate medical billing. Drawing from personal experience, he breaks down the most common coding pitfalls physicians face and how to avoid them. He highlights the importance of early training in coding and billing during residency and fellowship, reviews key coding updates effective January 2026, and offers guidance on modifier usage. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction01:34 - The Importance of Accurate Coding and Documentation04:03 - Common Coding Errors and Compliance Issues07:09 - Detailed Coding Guidelines and Best Practices26:20 - Modifiers and Their Proper Use33:53 - Interventional Radiology vs Diagnostic Radiology35:18 - Discussing ENM Billing and Procedural Focus35:45 - Commonly Missed Codes in Dialysis Circuit Interventions37:04 - Balloon Fibrin Sheath Disruption and Thrombectomy37:51 - Importance of Accurate Documentation for Vascular Access40:55 - Moderate Sedation and Ultrasound Guidance42:33 - Selective Imaging and Urinary Access Coding44:48 - Ablations and Biopsies: Guidance and Coding46:53 - Drainages and Intravascular Lithotripsy50:19 - 2026 Coding Changes and Physician Documentation01:00:29 - Resources and Education for Physicians

13 Tammi 1h 5min

Ep. 606 Building a Case Video Library with Dr. Rusty Hofmann

Ep. 606 Building a Case Video Library with Dr. Rusty Hofmann

The modes and methods of medical education have changed drastically in the past decade. Social media, podcasts (like this one), and other on-demand learning formats have fundamentally shifted how healthcare professionals stay up to date and advance their practice. So what’s next? Dr. Rusty Hofmann, former chief of interventional radiology at Stanford, current Chief of Industry Partnerships for Stanford Healthcare, and Medical Director of Cardiac and Interventional Services at Stanford, joins host Dr. Aaron Fritts to discuss how he’s redefining the future of personalized learning. --- SYNPOSISDr. Hofmann shares an update on his company, Grand Rounds—now called Included Health—a personalized healthcare platform delivering virtual primary and specialty care to millions of Americans. Dr. Hofmann reflects on the journey behind Included Health and introduces his latest venture, Wysdom, a next-generation learning platform reimagining medical education through short, TikTok-style videos created by clinicians, for clinicians. He dives into the innovation of building a peer-reviewed, clinician-driven video library centered on real-world clinical cases. He discusses both the challenges and transformative potential of technology in medical education, spanning learners from trainees to seasoned clinicians. The episode concludes with his perspective on what’s next—and where the company is ultimately headed. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction03:23 - Grand Rounds and Included Health05:29 - Challenges in Healthcare and Entrepreneurship12:28 - The Evolution of Medical Education16:37 - Creating and Sharing Medical Content20:52 - Curation and Organization of Medical Content27:41 - Morning Rounds: A Social Media Platform for Healthcare Professionals30:08 - Educational Content and Industry Collaboration35:08 - Creating Engaging and Practical Medical Videos40:55 - The Future of Medical Education48:18 - Final Thoughts and Reflections --- RESOURCES VI Episode 100https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/100/why-dr-rusty-hofmann-built-an-innovative-digital-health-company Wysdom Websitehttps://www.medicalwysdom.ai/home

11 Tammi 51min

Ep. 605 Advanced Surgical Approaches in Lung Cancer Management with Dr. Scott Atay and Dr. Scott Oh

Ep. 605 Advanced Surgical Approaches in Lung Cancer Management with Dr. Scott Atay and Dr. Scott Oh

Is the open thoracotomy becoming outdated as robotic surgery and advanced ablation techniques take center stage in lung cancer treatment? In the final discussion of the 2025 NSCLC Creator Weekend™ series, our virtual tumor board of interventional radiologists and pulmonologists from leading medical institutions discuss recent surgical and interventional advancements in the treatment of lung cancer. --- This podcast is supported by an educational grant from Johnson & Johnson and Varian. --- SYNPOSIS The conversation covers the contemporary role of PET scans, endobronchial ultrasound (EBUS), mediastinal staging, and the importance of perioperative systemic therapy. The doctors explore surgical and non-surgical methods for treating lung cancer, including lymph node dissection, criteria for resection, and the advantages of minimally invasive approaches such as video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery (VATS) and robotic-assisted surgeries.A key focus of this episode is the decision-making process for treating multifocal lung cancers while preserving lung function, and the use of combined therapies like ablation and radiation. The episode concludes with a detailed case study illustrating the long-term management of a patient with multiple lung adenocarcinomas over several years, highlighting the multidisciplinary approach required in such complex scenarios. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction10:07 - Patient Selection and Comorbid Conditions27:29 - Surgical Margins and Resection Strategies42:11 - Understanding Upstaging in Cancer Treatment53:27 - Technical and Clinical Resectability56:13 - Case Study: Managing Multifocal Lung Cancer01:11:41 - Long-Term Outcomes and Treatment Strategies --- RESOURCES CALGB 140503 Trialhttps://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2212083 JCOG0802 Trialhttps://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02333-3/abstract

9 Tammi 1h 16min

Ep. 604 Mythbusters: Provocative Mesenteric Angiography for GI Bleeds with Dr. Sabeen Dhand

Ep. 604 Mythbusters: Provocative Mesenteric Angiography for GI Bleeds with Dr. Sabeen Dhand

A negative angiogram in a patient with recurrent lower GI bleeding often calls for provocative angiography. In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, IR hosts Mike Barraza and Sabeen Dhand team up to talk tools, techniques, and tPA dosing for safe and effective treatment of lower GI bleeds with provocative mesenteric angiography.---This podcast is supported by:RADPAD® Radiation Protectionhttps://www.radpad.com/---SYNPOSISDr. Dhand describes the utility of provocative angiography in recurrent lower GI bleed patients with negative CTA and angiography, addressing common myths and concerns that may contribute to its underutilization. The conversation covers detailed procedure steps for both targeted and untargeted angiography, including access sites, dosing of tPA, and angiographic technique. Dr. Dhand emphasizes the importance of gradual increases in tPA dosage in 2 mg increments, and clear communication with care teams and the patient about the nature of the procedure. He also emphasizes the effectiveness and safety of this procedure by sharing real-world cases.---TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction02:04 - Provocative Angiography for Lower GI Bleeds04:09 - Detailed Protocol for Provocative Angiography11:13 - Technical Details and Best Practices20:07 - Challenges in GI Bleeding Studies22:40 - Selective Embolization Techniques27:44 - Handling Negative Angiograms32:56 - Real-World Case Studies35:15 - Final Thoughts---RESOURCESThiry et al. Provocative Mesenteric Angiography: Outcomes and Standardized Protocol for Management of Recurrent Lower Gastrointestinal Hemorrhagehttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34506023/

6 Tammi 37min

Ep. 603 Biopsy and Ablation Decision-Making in Lung Cancer with Dr. Alan Lee, Dr. Scott Oh, Dr. Rob Suh

Ep. 603 Biopsy and Ablation Decision-Making in Lung Cancer with Dr. Alan Lee, Dr. Scott Oh, Dr. Rob Suh

Why might simultaneous ablation and biopsy be the new standard for high-probability lung cancer cases where surgery isn’t an option? In the penultimate episode of the 2025 NSCLC Creator Weekend™ series, our multidisciplinary tumor board panel discusses the intricacies and decision-making processes surrounding biopsy and ablation procedures in thoracic oncology. --- This podcast is supported by an educational grant from Johnson & Johnson and Varian. --- SYNPOSIS Topics include the prioritization of treatment versus tissue acquisition, the nuances of bronchoscopic versus percutaneous biopsies, and the latest advancements in robotic and cryo-biopsy techniques. The experts also share their approaches to managing pneumothorax, the value of multidisciplinary collaboration, and case studies that highlight personalized patient care. Listeners gain valuable insights into the evolving landscape of thoracic oncology procedures and the importance of patient-centered decision-making. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction04:12 - Cryobiopy vs. Non-Cryobiopsy08:43 - Biopsy and Ablation: Strategies and Considerations15:31 - Post-Therapy Imaging and Follow-Up25:18 - Treatment Options and Patient Decisions27:08 - Evaluating Ablation Techniques28:59 - Managing Lung Cancer Recurrence39:41 - Case Study: Young Male with Ground Glass Nodule43:15 - Concluding Thoughts

2 Tammi 39min

Ep. 602 Managing Neuroendocrine Tumors in Interventional Radiology with Dr. Daniel DePietro

Ep. 602 Managing Neuroendocrine Tumors in Interventional Radiology with Dr. Daniel DePietro

What considerations drive your decision between bland embolization, TACE, and radioembolization in managing neuroendocrine tumors? In this BackTable episode, Dr. Daniel DePietro, interventional radiologist at the University of Pennsylvania joins host Dr. Kavi Krishnasamy for an in-depth discussion on the interventional management of neuroendocrine tumors. --- SYNPOSIS The physicians start by discussing the intricacies of primary and metastatic neuroendocrine tumors, focusing on how treatment decisions are shaped by factors such as symptom burden, extent of disease requiring debulking, and symptom progression despite systemic therapy. Dr. DePietro shares insights from his clinical experience and emphasizes the critical role of interdisciplinary collaboration in optimizing patient outcomes. Dr. DePietro then shares his approach to using Y90 radioembolization in patients with biliary contraindications to TACE or bland embolization—such as those with prior Whipple surgery, sphincterotomy, or biliary stents—where the risk of hepatic abscess with ischemia-based therapies is higher. He also notes that patients who derive less than a year of benefit from prior TACE or bland embolization may be good candidates for radioembolization. The conversation also covers the role of thermal ablation in select patients with solitary lesions, and also touches on several key trials, including the ongoing CapTemY90 study. --- 00:00 - Introduction02:09 - Specialization in Neuroendocrine Tumors06:32 - Patient Selection and Treatment Criteria10:40 - Grading and Treatment of Neuroendocrine Tumors16:09 - Systemic Therapy Options22:22 - Rebiopsy and Its Importance28:01 - Technical Aspects of Local Regional Therapies39:14 - Radioembolization: When and How43:33 - Segmentectomy and Multimodal Approaches45:22 - CapTemY90 Trial and Promising Results49:52 - Hormone Release During Local Regional Therapies53:12 - Combining Radioembolization with PRT56:12 - Thermal Ablation in Neuroendocrine Tumor Patients58:06 - Follow-Up Imaging and Tumor Markers01:02:40 - Updates from Nanets Conference01:05:08 - Collaborating Across Specialties01:07:56 - Managing High Tumor Burden Patients01:13:59 - Treating Carcinoid Heart Disease01:19:37 - Closing Remarks and Acknowledgments --- RESOURCES NETTER-1 Trialhttps://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1607427 REMINET Trialhttps://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2016.34.15_suppl.TPS4148 CapTemY90 Trialhttps://www.clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT04339036#contacts-and-locations

30 Joulu 20251h 21min

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