Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

Ep. 431 OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, Teri Yates explores the nuances of choosing between an Office-Based Lab (OBL) and Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) for private practices. Teri is the CEO of Accountable Physician Advisors, a consulting firm which specializes in OBLs, ASCs, and hybrid models for private-practice physicians. She is also President of DocCentric, a company focused on supporting physicians building and leading their own ASCs. The discussion includes a comprehensive analysis of the financial, regulatory, and operational considerations for physicians contemplating this decision. This includes insights into reimbursement models, Medicare regulations, and the strategic advantages of each model. The episode also touches on the importance of feasibility studies, partnerships with other specialties, and real estate strategies when developing these facilities. The conversation provides valuable advice for navigating the complexities of ASC development and emphasizes the value of maintaining independence and leveraging physician-owned models for long-term success. --- CHECK OUT OUR SPONSOR Reflow Medical https://www.reflowmedical.com/ --- SHOW NOTES 00:00 - Introduction 04:19 - Deep Dive into OBL and ASC: Definitions, Differences, and Decisions 07:26 - Financial Implications of ASC vs. OBL 10:56 - Hybrid Model: Combining OBL and ASC for Flexibility 15:14 - Navigating the Complexities of ASC Development 20:03 - Real Estate Strategies for OBL and ASC Projects 22:50 - Staffing Considerations and Physician Entrepreneur Insights 35:17 - Future of OBL and ASC: Trends and Predictions 39:43 - Closing Thoughts and Resources for Further Learning --- RESOURCES Ambulatory Surgery Center Association: https://www.ascassociation.org/home OEIS Annual Meeting 2024 Las Vegas: https://oeisweb.com/meetings/2024-annual-meeting/ Accountable Physician Advisors (Teri’s consulting firm): http://www.accountablephysicianadvisors.com/services DocCentric: https://doccentricasc.com/ NOON Development Company: https://noondevelopment.com/ BT VI Episode #366 - Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid BT VI Episode #202 - Staffing the OBL with Dr. Krishna Mannava and Kristin Longwell: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/202/staffing-the-obl BT VI Episode #129 - OBL / ASC Business Pearls with Dr. Jim Melton: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/129/obl-asc-business-pearls BI VI Episode #121 - Office-Based Labs (OBLs) & What You Can Do in Them with Dr. Mike Watts: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/121/office-based-labs-obls-what-you-can-do-in-them BT VI Episode #42 - Building an Outpatient UFE Practice with Dr. Mary Costantino: https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/36/building-an-outpatient-ufe-practice

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Ep. 574 MRI Guided Interventions: Techniques, Benefits, & Clinical Applications with Dr. Clifford Weiss and Dr. David Woodrum

Ep. 574 MRI Guided Interventions: Techniques, Benefits, & Clinical Applications with Dr. Clifford Weiss and Dr. David Woodrum

Should MRI-guided interventions be on your radar? Find out why the future of interventional radiology might lie in MRI guidance with experts Dr. Clifford Weiss from Johns Hopkins University and Dr. David Woodrum from the Mayo Clinic.---This podcast is supported by:Medtronic Emprinthttps://www.medtronic.com/emprint---SYNPOSISThe physicians join host Dr. Chris Beck to explore the benefits of MRI guided procedures, including superior imaging capabilities and reduced radiation exposure. Dr. Weiss and Dr. Woodrum detail the challenges and barriers to adoption, like the intricate set up needed to protect equipment from a strong magnetic field. They highlight the significant technological advancements and collaborations between MRI and device companies that are set to make MRI guided interventions more accessible and practical for everyday use. They also discuss the reimbursement paradigm for MRI guided biopsies and how similar the algorithm is to CT guided procedures.The episode closes with unique insights for young physicians on training opportunities and the promising future of MRI guided interventions for trainees looking to bring a different approach to their future practices.---TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction05:13 - The Advantages of MRI in Interventional Radiology13:44 - Technical Insights and Challenges of MRI Guided Procedures18:46 - Future Prospects and Industry Developments in MRI Guided Interventions31:01- Development of Hybrid MRI Rooms48:19 - Economic Considerations and Reimbursement52:33 - Community Support for MRI Interventions56:41 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts---RESOURCESInternational Society for Magnetic Resonance in Imaging:https://www.ismrm.org/

19 Syys 59min

Ep. 573 BackTable Tricks Competition 2025

Ep. 573 BackTable Tricks Competition 2025

What tricks do you have up your sleeve to help you get through tough cases? In this special episode of the BackTable Podcast, Drs. Ally Baheti, Mike Barraza, and Chris Beck spotlight the most creative and practical pearls from the 2025 BackTable Tips & Tricks competition, showcasing standout submissions and clever techniques shared by their peers. --- SYNPOSIS Guests include leading interventional radiologists like Dr. Aaron Fischman from Mount Sinai, who reveals his unique wire-shaping method—bending it like a question mark to navigate challenging, angulated vessels during prostate artery embolization. From Jefferson, Dr. Sean Maratto walks us through his innovative retrograde approach to placing double J stents. And from Ochsner Health, Dr. Tyler Sandow brings invaluable guidance on achieving direct portal vein access for TIPS. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:30 - Favorite Tips and Tricks06:11 - Practical Techniques and Personal Experiences15:41 - A Humbling Experience with Phil Banov16:02 - The Bumper Stitch Technique17:55 - Direct Portal Access for TIPS19:35 - Navigating Challenging Cases24:11 - Radial vs. Femoral Access Debate27:33 - Innovative Techniques and Tricks29:36 - Final Thoughts and Gratitude

15 Syys 31min

Ep. 572 How to Perform Mesocaval Shunts: Techniques & Outcomes with Dr. Omar Chohan and Dr. Harris Chengazi

Ep. 572 How to Perform Mesocaval Shunts: Techniques & Outcomes with Dr. Omar Chohan and Dr. Harris Chengazi

Before the advent of TIPS, mesocaval shunts were considered a less popular option for managing portal hypertension. But today, could they serve as a lifeline when no other choices remain? This week on BackTable, Drs. Omar Chohan and Harris Chengazi (Great Lakes Medical Imaging) join host Dr. Chris Beck to discuss the evolving role of endovascular mesocaval shunts, covering patient selection, clinical decision-making, and technical pearls. --- SYNPOSIS In this episode, the hosts delve into the specialized procedure of meso-caval shunts, focusing on its applications for patients with portal hypertension who have no other viable options. This discussion includes detailed case studies, such as one involving a woman with autoimmune hepatitis and another with pancreatic cancer, showcasing the practical challenges and innovative solutions in creating these shunts. In each case, they detail the rationale for patient selection, difficult anatomy, procedural steps, and resolution of symptoms like recurrent ascites and variceal bleeding. The episode emphasizes the importance of pre-procedure planning, collaboration, and precise imaging, utilizing advanced tools like the 4D CT scanner. The conversation also highlights the compassionate motivation behind these complex procedures, aimed at improving patients' quality of life. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction 03:07 - Historical Context and Indications06:49 - Case 1: Patient with Refractory Ascites34:00 - Case 2: Recurrent GI Bleeding41:16 - Case 3: TIPS Consult - Pancreatic Cancer and Duodenal Varices47:44 - Lessons, Pearls, and Tips56:13 - Final Thoughts --- RESOURCES A Case Series of Dr. Chengazi's Mesocaval Shunts on X:https://x.com/chengazimd/status/1966337167879438571 Episode 573 Portal Hypertension Treatment Strategies:https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/473/portal-hypertension-treatment-strategies-ir-hepatology-perspectives TIPS University Freshman Year:https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/123/tips-university-freshman-year-referrals-pre-op-workup TIPS University Sophomore Year:https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/124/tips-university-sophomore-year-basic-procedure-technique TIPS University Junior Year:https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/125/tips-university-junior-year-advanced-techniques-ice-splenic-access TIPS University Senior Year:https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/126/tips-university-senior-year-gunsight-technique-splenic-closure

12 Syys 1h 12min

Ep. 571 Independent IR Practices: Key Strategies for Success with Dr. Kartik Kansagra and Dr. Harout Dermendjian

Ep. 571 Independent IR Practices: Key Strategies for Success with Dr. Kartik Kansagra and Dr. Harout Dermendjian

What does it really take to break away from the hospital system and build your own interventional radiology practice?---This podcast is supported by:Medtronic Emprinthttps://www.medtronic.com/emprint---SYNPOSISIn this episode, host Dr. Ally Baheti interviews Dr. Kartik Kansagra and Dr. Harout Dermendjian, independent interventional radiologists from California and founders of EVS LA. They share their journey in establishing and growing an independent IR practice, discussing their training at Kaiser Sunset, the steps they took to develop their own practice, and the challenges they faced along the way. Emphasizing the importance of training, clinician communication, and balancing inpatient and outpatient services, they offer valuable insights and advice for new IR professionals considering a similar path.---TIMESTAMPS00:00 – Introduction and opening remarks01:23 – Early training and transition08:54 – Clinical vs. non-clinical IR practice differences13:05 – Achieving parity with other interventional specialties17:47 – Building insurance contracts and following up with patients24:31 – Setting boundaries and documenting clinical decisions34:32 – Final advice and closing words from the guests

9 Syys 37min

Introducing Backtable Cardiology

Introducing Backtable Cardiology

8 Syys 1min

Ep. 570 Exploring Atherectomy’s Role Below the Knee with Dr. Anahita Dua

Ep. 570 Exploring Atherectomy’s Role Below the Knee with Dr. Anahita Dua

Below the knee atherectomy is a hot topic right now in the vascular community. Why is it so controversial? Dr. Anahita Dua, vascular surgeon at Mass General, joins host Dr. Sabeen Dhand to explore the utility of this technique and the pressing need for more Level I evidence in this space. --- This podcast is supported by:AngioDynamicshttps://www.auryon-system.com/ --- SYNPOSIS The conversation dives into the controversial role of below-the-knee atherectomy in limb salvage, an area where data has long been debated. Dr. Dua, principal investigator of the AMBITION BTK Trial—the first randomized controlled trial comparing below-the-knee atherectomy to angioplasty alone—introduces the trial and explains how it fits into the current body of literature. Together, the doctors review past evidence, current practice, and the future outlook for tibial interventions. Dr. Dua outlines the wide range of techniques and clinical strategies used to manage PAD, and stresses the importance of physician engagement with the NIH and research community to establish stronger, evidence-based protocols. She also shares her candid thoughts on the most overrated and underrated devices in tibial intervention, highlighting atherectomy’s potential role in vessel preparation before below-the-knee treatment. --- TIMESTAMPS 00:00 - Introduction04:55 - Current State of Evidence and Challenges10:54 - Heterogeneity in PAD Treatment14:26 - Need for National Metrics and Standardization20:51 - AMBITION BTK Trial and Importance27:23 - Potential Outcomes and Implications30:18 - Trial Design34:56 - Advice for Practitioners37:36 - Underrated and Overrated Devices41:50 - Conclusion --- RESOURCES AMBITION BTK Trial:https://www.angiodynamics.com/studies/ambition-btk/

5 Syys 45min

Ep. 569 Advances & Challenges in Carotid Artery Stenting with Dr. Wayne Olan

Ep. 569 Advances & Challenges in Carotid Artery Stenting with Dr. Wayne Olan

From new techniques to evolving best practices–are you up to date with the latest developments in carotid artery stenting? In this episode, Dr. Wayne Olan, Interventional Neuroradiologist and the director of Minimally Invasive Neurosurgery at George Washington University joins Dr. Michael Barraza for a discussion on the latest innovations and evolving techniques in carotid artery stenting.---This podcast is supported by:RADPAD® Radiation Protectionhttps://www.radpad.com/---SYNPOSISDr. Olan opens the conversation with a historical perspective on the evolution of carotid stenting, tracing advancements from early techniques to modern devices. He then talks through referral patterns, noting that the majority originate from cardiologists. Dr. Olan emphasizes the importance of meticulous periprocedural planning and comprehensive post-procedural management. Central to this discussion is the critical role of antiplatelet therapy, including strategies for addressing Plavix non-responders, such as the use of Integrilin. The discussions also covers advanced techniques in carotid artery stenting, including the utilization of the Aptus sheath and the Contego stent system. He underscores the importance of mastering the available tools, understanding patient-specific factors, meticulous procedural planning, and always maintaining a contingency plan. He concludes the discussion by exploring emerging trends and the future potential of outpatient carotid stenting.---TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction02:44 - The Importance of Stroke Intervention07:16 - Carotid Stenting: Evolution and Techniques13:29 - Challenges and Collaborations in Carotid Interventions16:17 - Technical Insights and Best Practices25:24 - Choosing the Right Wire for Carotid Procedures25:53 - Anticoagulation and Filter Wire Techniques28:30 - Managing Stent Placement and Distal Protection30:54 - Handling Carotid Bifurcation and Skull Base Lesions38:43 Dealing with Tandem Occlusions42:06 - Future Trends in Outpatient Procedures44:43 - Addressing Re-stenosis and Vertebral Lesions45:44 - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

2 Syys 48min

Ep. 568 Understanding CON Laws: Effects on Rural Cardiovascular Care with Dr. Ash Sastry and Dr. Sree Nair

Ep. 568 Understanding CON Laws: Effects on Rural Cardiovascular Care with Dr. Ash Sastry and Dr. Sree Nair

What does it really take to bring cutting-edge vascular care to the most underserved corners of the rural South? In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, host Dr. Ally Baheti welcomes interventional cardiologist Dr. Ash Sastry and interventional radiologist Dr. Sree Nair to discuss the financial and regulatory side of providing care to underserved rural populations in North Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia.---SYNPOSISThe doctors delve into the operations and challenges of running an office-based lab (OBL) and the potential transition to an ambulatory surgical center (ASC). This episode covers topics like certificate of need (CON) laws, reimbursement issues, and the importance of multidisciplinary collaboration. The conversation offers insights into the practical and regulatory hurdles faced in delivering high-quality vascular care in rural settings. ---TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Introduction02:14 - Challenges in Rural Healthcare09:00 - Understanding Certificate of Need (CON) Laws11:30 - The Financial Struggles of OBLs19:58 - Advocacy and Legislative Efforts27:53 - Future Prospects and Final Thoughts

29 Elo 34min

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