363 - The Double Symbolism of St. Peter: Shepherd and Satan

Dr. Martin Shaw will be a speaker at the Symbolic World Summit next year in Tarpon Springs, Florida. In this conversation we discuss pagan stories, including The Odyssey and The Iliad, our current moment in the West, the return of paganism and a desire for Kleos (imperishable glory) in modern life. We also talk about how much paganism differs from Christianity, wrestling with Scripture as a mythographer, and Martin’s journey to Orthodox Christianity. Dr Martin Shaw is a writer, storyteller, and mythologist. Award-winning author of seventeen books, his most recent, Bardskull, was Guardian Book of the Day and described by the Sunday Times as “rich and transgressive.” He is a wilderness rites of passage guide and spent four years living in a tent. Shaw founded the Oral Tradition and Living Myth courses at Stanford University and is described by the Irish Times as an “interloper from the medieval.” An Eastern Orthodox Christian, over the last twenty-five years Shaw has introduced thousands of people to myth and how it speaks to our age. He is widely published: Orion, The Sun, Mississippi Review, Poetry International and many others.Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/U4BVKOBrnTYDr. Martin Shaw’s website: https://drmartinshaw.com/ Substack: https://martinshaw.substack.com/ Join me and Dr. Martin Shaw and others at the Symbolic World Summit in Tarpon Springs, Florida.Date: Feb 29-Mar 2, 2024 Tickets start at $399: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summit —--------------------Timestamps:0:00 - Coming up next1:00 - Intro music1:24 - Introduction1:44 - The Symbolic World Summit5:12 - What stood out rereading The Odyssey10:13 - What paganism looks like13:58 - The Iliad14:57 - Christ in The Odyssey20:28 - Struggling with Scripture24:29 - Relating to Biblical stories26:56 - Samson31:16 - Pandemonium and understanding the West33:07 - Tell me about the Summit38:00 - Martin's transformation42:01 - I'm not a classicist—--------------------💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

3 Marras 202350min

Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick is Chief Content Officer of Ancient Faith Ministries. He has been podcasting since 2007 and is the host of Orthodoxy and Heterodoxy, Orthodox Engagement, and Roads from Emmaus, as well as co-host of The Lord of Spirits, The Areopagus, and Amon Sûl.I had a wonderful conversation with Fr. Andrew about his latest project, The Wolf and the Cross. This podcast series documents his Orthodox pilgrimage to Lithuania, the last pagan nation in Europe.We discuss how Eastern Orthodoxy deals with the traditions and symbols from paganism and how it adapts elements of non-orthodox branches of Christianity.Listen to The Wolf and the Cross: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/wolfandcross-----------------------JOIN US FOR THE SYMBOLIC WORLD SUMMIT: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summitFeb 29th - Mar 2nd, 2024Tarpon Springs, Florida, USTickets start at $399-----------------------PAST INTERVIEWS WITH FR. ANDREW• Arise O God: A Cosmic Vision of the Gospel | https://youtu.be/6U7c_89FeWM • The Areopagus Podcast: Storytelling by Subverting Subversion | https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/areopagus/storytelling_by_subverting_subversion_with_jonathan_pageau• JRR Tolkien and The Applicability of Stories | https://youtu.be/QcQShPpbEgc • Gods, Angels and Demons | https://youtu.be/NW_WlIurGtA -----------------------⏯️ TIMESTAMPS00:00 - Preview00:28 - Intro music00:52 - Introduction02:59 - Second visit to Lithuania03:00 - Lithuania on the border between Catholicism and Orthodoxy04:05 - The last pagan nation in Europe (late 14th century)05:42 - The backstory of Christianity and other religions09:55 - God redeems or untwists pagan symbolism13:22 - Transformation and creative engagement19:14 - Germanic Paganism and Christianity29:46 - Orthodox and non-orthodox Christians37:47 - The Sun Cross39:44 - Dievdirbys and Pensive Christ (Rūpintojėlis)44:05 - The Hill of Crosses (Kryžių Kalnas)48:45 - St. Peter Mohyla and Latinization50:24 - All Souls Day in Lithuanian Orthodoxy (Vėlinės)55:19 - Our Lady of the Gate of Dawn, Theotokos57:16 - Our Lady of Pažaislis1:03:04 - The porous nature of religious traditions1:09:20 - Humility vs. the demonic spirit of polarization1:11:32 - Conclusion-----------------------LINKS💻 Website & Blog: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageau/ Our website designers: www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.----------------------Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act of 1976 A small portion of the audio content in this episode belongs to Dirt Poor Robins. We have received explicit permission from Dirt Poor Robins to use their music in this video to advertise an event where they will be present as performing artists.All content posted is merely for educational, commentarial, and informational purposes under Fair Use law. All rights and credit go directly to its owners. No copyright infringement intended.

26 Loka 20231h 12min

Kendelle Hoyer is passionate about storytelling and art, which has been a life-long pursuit since childhood when she decided she wanted to work in animation. Since then, Kendelle has developed her craft of bringing fantastical stories to life. She has been privileged to work on feature films at major animation studios since 2008, and is currently working in Los Angeles as storyboard artist.In this podcast episode, we discuss her work as an artist to put together movies for the big screen. We also discuss what makes a story precious, and how to approach creative storytelling.----------------Timestamps:0:00 - Preview0:50 - Intro music1:14 - Introduction2:01 - Being a storyboard artist3:17 - What's the difference between the head-of-story and the director?4:43 - How symbolic thinking helps5:12 - Story reels7:05 - Planning9:45 - A bad story12:39 - Working on a project14:35 - The early Pixar and Disney movies16:31 - Protecting the creative environment20:02 - The next wave of storytelling22:20 - Finding the right character22:57 - Story problem solving25:54 - What did you study?26:36 - Storytellers are important27:44 - Stop complaining and start creating29:39 - How has symbolic thinking influenced your work?33:33 - Putting the story first37:50 - The flow and dialogos44:38 - The early Disney films46:17 - AI49:48 - AI images----------------💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

20 Loka 202353min

There is a tendency to isolate religious behavior from other human behavior, which can make religious behavior seem arbitrary or ridiculous. In this week's video, I argue that the best way to understand religion, even from a purely materialist perspective, is to understand it as an extension of other types of ritualized behavior, even those we can find among animals.💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

13 Loka 202319min

I had a great discussion with Annie Crawford. She’s written two wonderful articles for the Symbolic World Blog and is offering a course on C.S. Lewis’ Ransom Trilogy on the Symbolic World website. Check out our discussion about C.S. Lewis, AI, progress, gender, laughter, science, and the mystical.Sign up for Annie’s course on the C.S. Lewis Ransom Trilogy. If you sign up now you will get the recordings of the first 10 lessons. The remaining 5 lessons on That Hideous Strength will be every Friday at 3pm CST / 4pm EST: https://the-symbolic-world.circle.so/checkout/cs-lewis-trilogyEmail us at inquiries@symbolicworldpress.com if you have any questions or reach out to Annie in our website community: https://the-symbolic-world.circle.so/home Annie’s articles on the Symbolic World Blog:- ‘Cosmos’: A Poetic Reflection on the Medieval Model: https://thesymbolicworld.com/content/cosmos-a-poetic-reflection-on-the-medieval-model- Gender and the Cosmos: The Restoration of Worlds in C.S. Lewis’s Ransom Trilogy: https://thesymbolicworld.com/content/gender-and-the-cosmos-the-restoration-of-worlds-in-c-s-lewis-s-ransom-trilogyTimestamps:0:00 Coming up0:27 - Intro music0:51 - Introduction3:21 - The Symbolic World community4:22 - C.S. Lewis' Ransom Trilogy6:14 - The disembodied head7:20 - Gender and C.S. Lewis13:31 - C.S. Lewis' approach to the topic17:41 - The "third gender"24:04 - The ending of "That Hideous Strength"31:46 - Waters above and below33:39 - Lewis and Dante39:44 - Theology and "science"46:31 - Barfield and Lewis: an original unity53:30 - Merlin's Last Laugh💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

9 Loka 20231h 7min

I had an amazing discussion with Jacob Howland about the fundamental question of technology. We investigate from both the Biblical and ancient Greek perspectives what technology is and its effects on the human spirit. We discuss the notion of memory and recollection, Plato’s Phaedrus, the Biblical notion of garments of skin, ChatGPT and AI, work and leisure, technology’s effects on human capabilities, paganism and idolatry, intelligence, and “the matrix”, the internet, intuition, and much more.Jacob Howland is the Provost and Director of the Intellectual Foundations Program at UATX, commonly known as the University of Austin.His latest book is Glaucon's Fate: History, Myth, and Character in Plato's Republic (Paul Dry Books, 2018): https://www.amazon.com/Glaucons-Fate-History-Character-Republic/dp/1589881346Jacob Howland’s website: https://www.jacobhowland.com/His articles on Unherd: https://unherd.com/author/jacob-howlandunherd-com/YouTube version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/o468OtytbVQTimestamps:00:00 - Coming up01:02 - Intro music01:28 - Introduction01:59 - Different narratives about technology04:09 - Technology from the Greek perspective05:01 - Plato's Phaedra - and fixing words08:16 - Egypt09:29 - Suppressing recollection11:13 - The garments of skin15:02 - Work - sorting chaos18:17 - Human capabilities diminishing19:53 - ChatGPT cannibalizes itself22:06 - A pagan god that feeds on humans23:52 - Human batteries26:03 - Intuition - direct access to reality28:49 - What do we mean by intelligence?30:47 - Understand AI as idolatry32:19 - The gold of the golden calf34:53 - The tabernacle35:33 - A body of power37:39 - card: Beasts in Revelation39:16 - Work and leisure47:45 - Monastic life and leisure49:18 - Not anti-technology50:54 - The Henry Adams curve56:56 - The Beast kills the whore1:00:17 - Plato's cave1:01:19 - There is no "solution"1:03:24 - Prometheus’ cycle of desire1:05:58 - The flip side of all of this1:10:15 - Paradise Lost1:11:09 - The need for transcendence1:12:26 - Re-engage at the human scale💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

3 Loka 20231h 13min

Fr. Stephen De Young is writing an article for our upcoming publication, the Symbolic World Magazine, and he will also join us as a speaker for the Symbolic World Summit in February 2024. He is an amazing writer and speaker and has really helped me reach new heights in my understanding of Scripture.In this discussion we specifically discuss certain sexual and revolutionary symbolism in the Bible, starting with when Ham “uncovered” his father, Noah’s, “nakedness”. Understanding this is a key to understanding Genesis 9, and an important aspect of Biblical storytelling.Bio: Rev. Dr. Stephen De Young is Pastor of Archangel Gabriel Orthodox Church in Lafayette, Louisiana. He is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog, as well as co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast. Fr. Stephen holds a Ph.D. in Biblical Studies from Amridge University.Registration for the Symbolic World Summit in Tarpon Springs, Florida, opens TODAY! Date: Feb 29-Mar 2, 2024Tickets start at $399: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summit ---Fr. Stephen De Young:Lord of Spirits podcast: https://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/lordofspiritsFr. De Young’s books, podcasts, and blogs: https://www.ancientfaith.com/contributors/stephen_deyoungPrevious discussions with Fr. De Young on this channel:- The Son of Man - with Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KkjD-sLQI- Gods, Angels and Demons - with Fr. Andrew Damick and Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW_WlIurGtA- Hope for the Future and the Religion of the Apostles | with Fr. Stephen De Young - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsuxgepcNwQ---Original YouTuber version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/GQgOYkzj0ek---Timestamps:0:00 // Preview clip1:17 // Intro music1:42 // Introduction2:17 // Speaking at conference3:28 // The legacy of Lord of Spirits5:33 // Rediscovering the Old World11:57 // A key in Genesis about Noah16:23 // Uncovering the father's nakedness20:09 // Why would Ham do this25:03 // Usurpation in Scripture30:06 // The positive side31:10 // The sin at the beginning of a world34:10 // Not too close or too far39:10 // In Christ's story40:57 // Conceding mediation44:14 // A more mature understanding of unification47:22 // Our conception of marriage and family51:03 // St. Paul saying women must cover their heads56:37 // Noah's sin59:11 // Lot's sin1:01:00 // Knowing your opponent---💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

22 Syys 20231h 6min

I sat down again with the American novelist and screenwriter, Gregg Hurwitz. Gregg was part of the Daily Wire+ Exodus series discussion panel with Jordan Peterson, so I thought it was a good time for us to talk about what we took away from those discussions, Exodus, Christianity, CS Lewis, the importance of ritual, temperance, and a nuanced approach to social matters.Previous discussions: - New Think - with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/nR53MJd8VLI?si=AAIcbBjs4x1pHt9X- Patterns in Politics and Storytelling | with Gregg Hurwitz: https://youtu.be/ykDHAapyaZ4?si=pNF0KV7uIInAMiUs Exodus series with Daily Wire+ and Jordan Peterson: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL22J3VaeABQAppIsV0MmKYhGeFGJsy-dS&si=VxB_bJsEU-QvWHPWGregg’s website: https://gregghurwitz.net/Original YouTube version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/tOhS9Gm_a5I---Timestamps:00:00 // Preview00:41 // Intro music01:06 // Introduction01:56 // Gregg's experience with the Exodus series04:57 // Let the fringe be the fringe13:06 // Layers of participation15:04 // The essence of the laws16:28 // Values and a foundation20:20 // Humility22:06 // A structure in which to navigate25:39 // The necessity of ritual31:04 // CS Lewis and The Great Divorce35:28 // Freedom38:25 // Hell43:39 // Hypocrisy and accusation48:09 // The Nine Worthies54:34 // The messiness of life1:03:22 // Guilt by association1:08:54 // Pluralistic ignorance---💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com🔗 Linktree: https://linktr.ee/jonathanpageau 🗣 Join The Symbolic World Community for discussions about symbolism: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe 🔒 BECOME A PATRON Website: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Patreon: http://www.patreon.com/pageauvideos 📱 SOCIAL MEDIA Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TheSymbolicWorld Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/pageaujonathan Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jonathan.pageauOur website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.

15 Syys 20231h 13min