Michael Levin and Joscha Bach: The Shape of Collective Thought

Michael Levin and Joscha Bach explore the idea of a global mind, collective intelligence, agency, and how morphogenesis might shape cognition. They debate the boundaries between biology and computation, and consider what competence means for cells and societies.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:01:55 - Bach and Levin discuss each other's work- 00:03:34 - Cells as neuron-like units- 00:07:15 - Software as control pattern- 00:10:55 - Academic disciplinary boundaries- 00:14:38 - Perceptron as brain toy model- 00:18:44 - Researcher identity- 00:20:10 - Podcast vs academia benefits- 00:30:04 - Drastic belief changes- 00:38:54 - Memory beyond brain- 00:45:06 - Engrams and storage- 00:47:30 - Transferring memory across species- 00:55:25 - Weissman's barrier- 00:59:25 - Notion of competence- 01:12:10 - Virtualization for unreliable hardware- 01:16:02 - Defining competence- 01:22:35 - Goals and teleology issues- 01:27:34 - Planarian goals and encoded instructions- 01:34:55 - Navigation in morphic space- 01:36:11 - One species' defect as benefit- 01:37:42 - Intelligence trap and bias- 01:39:05 - Applying each other's work- 01:52:25 - General intelligence necessities in cellsSPONSORS:- Drink Trade: 30% off at https://www.drinktrade.com/everything- Uncommon Goods: 15% off your first gift at https://www.uncommongoods.com/podcast/everything- Roman: 20% off first order at https://ro.co/curt- Masterworks: promo code theoriesofeverything at https://www.masterworks.art/toeRESOURCES:- YouTube link: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A- http://theoriesofeverything.org- *New* TOE Website (early access to episodes): https://theoriesofeverything.org/- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything- Michael Levin (Solo TOE podcast): https://youtu.be/Z0TNfysTazc- Michael Levin Theolocution With Chris Fields & Karl Friston: https://youtu.be/J6eJ44Jq_pw- Joscha Bach Theolocution With John Vervaeke: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4- Joscha Bach Theolocution With Donald Hoffman: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww- Joscha Bach (Solo TOE podcast): https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices