The Case Against Social Stories: Session 122 with Justin Leaf

"Does anyone have a social story for [insert challenging situation here]?"

Chances are if you're like me, you've seen this question on the various ABA Facebook groups. Very often, the responses to questions like these generate some controversy, or at the very least, arguing over the empirical support for the use of Social Stories and other story-based narrative interventions.

One of these types of Facebook threads popped up a month or two ago, and in response to it, I saw a post from Dr. Justin Leaf from the Autism Partnership Foundation. In it, he described his own research in this area, which casts doubt on the utility of these types of interventions.

To be up front with my own biases, I've often been skeptical of Social Story based interventions as well, and thought it would be interesting to discuss this further with Justin.

We recorded this podcast episode a while back at the height of the quarantine, so you'll likely hear various background noises from both of our households, though I don't think they detract from the overall sound quality.

Our conversation will no doubt generate some controversy, so please feel free to add your thoughts or commentary at Facebook.com/behavioralobservations or right in the comments section of the show notes.

Here are the links to the resources we discussed:

• Justin's appearance on ABA Inside Track.
• The Facebook post that started this conversation off.
• Leaf, et al. (2019). A Critical Review of Social Narratives.
• The Autism Partnership Foundation's free RBT course.
• Google Scholar results for the Teaching Interaction Procedure.
• Clinical Judgement, the book Justin co-authored with Ronald Leaf and John McEachin.

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