S3:E1 - The Next Four Years
Haystacks & Hell22 Helmi 2025

S3:E1 - The Next Four Years

Support the Show • Santiago discusses the current political climate, especially the continued rise of Christian Nationalism in the United States, while reflecting on his personal journey from right-wing authoritarian beliefs to greater empathy and understanding. Listeners are encouraged to stay informed, participate in local elections, maintain hope for justice and positive change.

Resources / Topics Mentioned:

Reddit Post - "My dad woke my fears"
Blog Post - Trump in office Ten Days: the Seventh-day Adventist Church wrote "Keep your mouth shut"
Book - Armageddon by Bart Ehrman
Video - Data Over Dogma Interview with Bart Ehrman
Video - Skeptic.com Interview with Bart Ehrman
Podcast - Sunday School Dropouts
PDF - Ben Carson's Project 2025 Contribution
Video - Don't Believe Him - Ezra Klein

Independent Media Suggestions:

DemocracyNow.org / YouTube
Colonial Outcasts Podcast
Drop Site News
Breaking Points
Legal Eagle - WTF is DOGE?
Last Week Tonight
Adam Conover
More Perfect Union

00:00 Intro and Season 3 Kickoff
01:07 Political Climate and Deconstruction
03:48 Personal Journey and Reflections
06:11 Anxiety and End Times
11:14 Christian Nationalism
26:38 Encouragement and Resources

Full Transcripts, resources and more: hell.bio/notes

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S1:E9 - Interview: Meet the ex-SDA Survey Team (Eighth-day Freedom)

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