Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui - Episode 146

Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui - Episode 146

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Charlie Kindel! Charlie is an American tech executive doing consulting and advising. Formerly, he has held roles with Control4, Amazon, and Microsoft. Much of his career has been spent focused on smart home products. Additionally, he is also the maintainer of Terminal Gui, which is a .NET 5 UI framework for console applications.

In this conversation, Charlie discusses the Terminal Gui and highlights some of the cases where it shines. If you're looking for a full user interface but you only want it to sip — rather than sap — system resources, the Terminal Gui may be the solution you're looking for! It's fun from a retro perspective as it allows people to go and explore the way UIs were back in the 80s and before.

Charlie shares how the Terminal Gui project got started, its current capabilities, the notable applications that use Terminal Gui, its constraints, dependencies, memory usage, potential future integration, and more! Don't miss out on learning about this lightweight UI framework.

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:24] About today's episode with Charlie Kindel

[1:48] Jeffrey welcomes Charlie Kindel to the podcast!

[2:04] Charlie shares some of his notable career highlights.

[4:28] What Jeffrey finds fascinating about Terminal Gui with modern .NET 5.0 applications.

[5:55] How the Terminal Gui project got started and its capabilities.

[7:35] Jeffrey highlights how lightweight Terminal Gui is.

[8:22] Are there any notable applications that use Terminal Gui right now? What is one of Charlie's favorites?

[10:09] What does the control model for Terminal Gui look like for those who want to create a composite control or a new type of control?

[12:11] Are there any limitations besides the layout? What types of controls can be made with Terminal Gui?

[13:46] What are the constraints with Terminal Gui?

[15:46] Is it expected to use a form base model similar to WinForms or WPF? Or more like model-view-controller where you split up the behavior and the layout? What's the intended approach?

[16:56] If someone is going to adopt Terminal Gui and use it for a particular command line EXE, what is the testing story (so that they know if the user interface is behaving properly)?

[17:50] If someone is going to be using Terminal Gui in their build, tests, and deployments, do they need to be aware of any dependencies (besides the library itself)?

[18:27] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[18:58] What do the tests look like in Terminal Gui? What should developers be looking at if they want to write tests?

[20:25] With Terminal Gui, would you deploy as a regular .NET 5.0 assembly? Would most of the time you roll up all the libraries and do a single executable deployment?

[20:51] What are some of the future visions for Terminal Gui?

[22:15] Why you would want to use Terminal Gui if you already use WPF, Xamarin, MAUI, etc.

[23:19] Jeffrey shares one of his first experiences with using Terminal Gui and why he likes it.

[24:09] Has Terminal Gui been tested with really old Windows or constrained hardware?

[24:33] Are there any reports on the footprint of startup memory usage?

[25:03] Jeffrey and Charlie discuss memory measurements.

[26:51] Is tab ordering built into Terminal Gui?

[28:08] Charlie discusses the potential of future integration with MAUI.

[29:19] Charlie shouts out the other contributors on the Terminal Gui project.

[30:24] Where and how to check out Terminal Gui.

[30:50] How to start contributing to the project.

[31:17] Jeffrey thanks Charlie Kindel for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow

Terminal Gui source code

Microsoft PowerShell Graphical Tools

Out-ConsoleGridView (OCG)

Miguel de Icaza's 2019 blog post on Terminal Gui

Presentation from .NET Conf 2018

Video recording of Terminal Gui

Xamarin.Forms with console UI adapter

Selenium

Xamarin

MAUI

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Étienne Tremblay: Setting up for DevOps properly - Episode 303

Étienne Tremblay: Setting up for DevOps properly - Episode 303

As the president of Tegaaa Solutions, a DevOps consulting firm, Étienne helps clients achieve optimal performance and efficiency in their software development processes. With over 30 years of IT experience and 20 years of Microsoft specialization, he has the skills and knowledge to provide tailored solutions for any DevOps challenge. He is passionate about sharing his expertise and best practices with the IT community as a Microsoft MVP for TFS and Azure DevOps since 2006, and a regular speaker at local technical conferences and user groups since 2005. He also offers mentoring and training for organizations using Visual Studio and Team Foundation Server and designs enterprise and application architectures for projects of all sizes. His mission is to empower developers and organizations to leverage the power of DevOps and Azure to deliver high-quality software faster and better. Topics of Discussion: [3:30] Étienne's career progression from mechanical engineering to software development. [6:14] Yes, Étienne was TFS before it was cool. [7:14] Étienne's interesting specialization in aerodynamics. [11:18] Not making things too complicated. [12:49] Étienne's interest in the building process. [14:07] Building the blueprint. [17:08] GitHub vs. Azure DevOps for enterprise use. [19:49] Microsoft's struggle with GitHub's repo-centric approach in the enterprise. [24:17] The key differences in how work is tracked. [28:10 What is Entra ID? [34:08] Agility is becoming a religion, where it needs to be more of a spirit. [38:04] Kanban system for managing work in progress. [46:24] Implementing Azure DevOps for beginners, with tips and resources. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Etienne LinkedIn Get Started with Azure DevOps Tegaaa Solutions Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

24 Kesä 202451min

Martin Hinshelwood: Migration Azure DevOps Server to the Cloud - Episode 302

Martin Hinshelwood: Migration Azure DevOps Server to the Cloud - Episode 302

Martin is a passionate agile leader with a track record of inspiring, encouraging, and igniting momentum. Featured speaker, author, and industry thought leader, Martin has a strong track record of helping organizations build a vision and execute evolutionary and revolutionary change. His deep technical knowledge, business insight, and experience drive impactful change for organizations. Technologist turned agilist, Martin successfully helps organizations decentralize, democratize, and evolve their way of work to build extraordinary processes and drive organizational change through culture, technology, and teamwork. He's been recognized by Microsoft as a Microsoft MVP, and he is the maintainer of the open-source Azure DevOps Migration Tools. Topics of Discussion: [2:59] Martin's career journey. [4:51] What Martin has learned as an MVP for 15 years. [5:59] If you're not good at something, do it more. [6:52] Azure DevOps Migration tools. [10:11] Martin adopted platform engineering to streamline processes and reduce costs. [14:31] What you should know before using Martin's tools. [21:55] It's not either/or between Microsoft migration tools and Azure DevOps migration tools. [27:00] What made TFS unique. [20:03] TFGit. [30:02] The process used in your source and target, and what challenges might people expect? [31:44] Limitations of migrating data from old TFS to new Azure DevOps using Microsoft tools. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! GitHub Migration Tools for Azure DevOps Martin — Scrum Naked Agility Agile Actually Podcast Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

17 Kesä 202447min

Scott Forsyth: Gen AI or Generative Artificial Intelligence - Episode 301

Scott Forsyth: Gen AI or Generative Artificial Intelligence - Episode 301

Scott has spent over 25 years in the IT field, working in disciplines such as systems architecture, software development, team growth, and entrepreneurship. He was a Microsoft MVP for 12 years in ASP.NET and IIS. He's co-authored two books (IIS 7 and IIS 8 Professional), is a Pluralsight author, and has spoken at various conferences, code camps, and user groups. He's now shifted into the AI space, building AI solutions and supporting others in their AI journey. He's also co-founding a new startup, so he's spending much of his time as an Entrepreneur. Topics of Discussion: [2:15] Scott's career path and what steered him into AI. [5:18] AI development and Scott's journey learning about generative AI. [7:15] AI use cases, including chatbots, text-to-speech, and speech-to-text. [13:14] Flowise AI. [15:48] RAG, AKA retrieval augmented generation. [17:32] Code interpreter. [18:10] How do we know that AI is terrible at math, and what are the other things it's not good at? [26:13] Using small language models for natural language processing. [37:13] Kitchen Co-Pilot app. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Flowise Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG) Attention is All You Need kitchen copilot zapier Make Perplexity Claude Groq The Groq LPU Inference Engine @scottforsyth Scott on LinkedIn Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

10 Kesä 202443min

Jim Leonardo: Leading Software Teams - Episode 300

Jim Leonardo: Leading Software Teams - Episode 300

Jim has been building solutions for clients in the cloud on Microsoft Azure since 2012 and building solutions in general for 20 years or more. Now, he heads up information technology for biBerk Insurance, overseeing both software development and IT operations. Most of Jim's experience is in consulting or enterprise with a few forays into product development. Following the path of least resistance, Jim ended up working primarily with Microsoft tools. The tool you know is the usually best tool to use, so the Microsoft path offers less and less resistance for Jim as time goes on. On the side, Jim is working on jimsrules.com to share experience and shaky opinions about teamwork and leadership in software development. Topics of Discussion: [3:33] There is a shortage of software leaders out there. [4:22] Jim's career progression. [5:26] Pulling back from leadership roles. [6:54] Recognizing the need to be hands-on and fill vacuums in leadership roles. [8:35] Embracing T- or V-shaped development. [11:34] If it isn't tested, it is broken. [16:47] Know who your customer is and what your product is. [18:10] The Innovator's Dilemma and the importance of asking why things are the way they are. [21:21] No matter how much experience you have, there is something you can learn from someone with less experience. [23:29] What we can learn from teen YouTubers. [24:25] The 10 specific rules; Rule 77 — Minimum Viable Products (MVP) are the start, not the end of a program. [26:26] Rule #7 about microservices. [27:52] Applying Conway's Law. [33:18] Rule 37 — Automated tests are my pillow. Rule 59 — A leader's job is to support the team. Most org charts are upside-down. Rule 68 — No one is a zero. They either add to the team or take away from it. The question is whether those who are taking away are growing towards a positive contribution. Rule 74 — Keeping standards high ultimately creates a better work environment. Rule 75 — When you prepare to teach something, you usually learn more than your potential students. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jim Leonardo LinkedIn Jim's Rules Jim's Rules: The List The Innovator's Dilemma: The Revolutionary Book That Will Change the Way You Do Business, by Clayton M. Christensen Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Ted Neward: Managing A Software Engineering Department  - Episode 299

Ted Neward: Managing A Software Engineering Department - Episode 299

Ted Neward is sometimes referred to as "The Dude of Software," owing to both his remarkable (some say frightening) resemblance to the Jeff Bridges character from "The Big Lebowski," and his ordination as a Dudeist Minister of the Church of the Latter-Day Dude, but he's also been called the "Dr. Gregory House of Software," owing to his tendency to pull no punches when talking about software and how to deliver it successfully. He's comfortable answering to either title, as well as a few others. He's familiar with more programming languages than most people knew existed and hasn't found one yet that he couldn't turn into a "mission-critical" application when asked. Topics of Discussion: [4:36] Ted talks about building a tribe and developing a community. [6:48] Leveraging the "who you know" network. [7:21] Tips for keeping track of your network. [9:44] Effective software team management. [13:10] The importance of shifting perspective from individual success to team success. [16:16] The component of compassion in management. [17:53] Managers should actually want to be managers. [18:43] Retaining employees and realizing that management skills need to be recognized and developed. [27:02] The tipping point of needing to hire a full-fledged IT department. [32:34] Advice for managers on the people side. [34:08] Team success metrics, weekly one-on-ones, and building psychological safety. [38:32] Importance of team happiness and direct communication with executives for successful software development. [43:52] Developing the skills of leadership. [44:39] Remembering that not all management is evil. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! C# In a Nutshell ted.neward@gmail.com Ted Neward LinkedIn Neward Associates Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

27 Touko 202447min

Dan Garfield: GitOps with Kubernetes - Episode 298

Dan Garfield: GitOps with Kubernetes - Episode 298

Dan Garfield is the Co-founder of Codefresh, a CI/CD platform powered by GitOps and Argo now acquired by Octopus Deploy. As the VP Open Source and Argo Maintainer, he works primarily on Argo CD and Argo Rollouts. He helped create the GitOps Working Group and Open GitOps Principles. He helped create the most popular GitOps certification with Argo CD and writes consistently about best practices for GitOps involving Security, Development processes, and scaling. Topics of Discussion: [2:37] Dan Garfield's career journey and his interest in technology from a young age. [4:17] The inspiration behind creating Codefresh. [7:57] Going all in on Kubernetes. [9:55] Meeting Paul, the CEO of Octopus. [10:37] We're still in the early days of Kubernetes. [12:27] What's the default choice for deploying to Kubernetes? [15:08] The importance of unified software delivery. [16:50] Linux native crowd adopted containers first, while .NET developers were slow to adopt due to compatibility issues. [22:53] What does Argo CD do? [25:04] GitOps Principles. [29:28] Managing microservices in a dynamic infrastructure. [32:29] Environment management, promotion workflows, and traceability. [34:30] Where exactly the balance between Argo and CodeFresh fits in. [35:09] GitOps Certification. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Dan Garfield LinkedIn What is GitOps? Learning Codefresh GitOps Certification Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

20 Touko 202441min

Richard Campbell: The Future of Software - Episode 297

Richard Campbell: The Future of Software - Episode 297

Richard Campbell wrote his first line of code in 1977. His career has spanned the computing industry on both the hardware and software sides, development, and operations. He was a co-founder of Strangeloop Networks, acquired by Radware in 2013, and was on the board of directors of Telerik, which was acquired by Progress Software in 2014. Today, he is a consultant and advisor to a number of successful technology firms and is the founder and chairman of Humanitarian Toolbox (www.htbox.org), a public charity that builds open-source software for disaster relief. Richard also hosts three podcasts: .NET Rocks! (www.dotnetrocks.com) for .NET developers, RunAs Radio (www.runasradio.com) for IT Professionals, and Windows Weekly (https://twit.tv/shows/windows-weekly). Topics of Discussion: [2:24] Richard's podcasting career over 20 years and his advice for new podcasters. [6:30] The common topics that Richard talks about. [11:32] Adaptive cruise control and limitations of current AI. [13:34] Potential for autonomous trucks and freight trains. [16:12] Improving software user experience with machine learning. [17:32] How AI may change (and not change) 10 years from now. [19:32] How the voice interface has gotten better. [22:21] The impact of automation on software development jobs. [28:19] The appropriate uses of low-code platforms. [33:29] Habits vs. wisdom. [37:25] The future of augmented reality. [39:15] Importance of experimenting with different tools. [42:43] How augmented reality may disrupt smartphones. [43:49] Jamming out on your tools, much like a musician experimenting. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! "Richard Campbell on the History of .NET - Episode 133" Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

13 Touko 202444min

Philip Japikse: Migrating from .NET Framework to .NET 8 - Episode 296

Philip Japikse: Migrating from .NET Framework to .NET 8 - Episode 296

An international speaker, Microsoft MVP, ASPInsider, MCSD, PSM II, PSD, and PST, and a passionate member of the developer community, Phil has been working with .NET since the first betas, developing software for over 35 years, and heavily involved in the agile community since 2005 as well as a Professional Scrum Trainer. Phil has taken over the best-selling Pro C# books (Apress Publishing), including Pro C# 10, is the President of the Cincinnati .NET User's Group (Cinnug.org), and the Cincinnati Software Architect Group, co-hosted the Hallway Conversations podcast (Hallwayconversations.com), founded and runs the CincyDeliver conference (Cincydeliver.org), and volunteers for the National Ski Patrol. During the day, Phil works as the CTO for Pintas & Mullins. Phil always enjoys learning new tech and is always striving to improve his craft. Topics of Discussion: [3:47] Philip's career journey and why he's still hands-on coding. [5:37] Sometimes it's not a technical problem, but a process or human interaction problem. [6:37] Philip's love of mentoring. [8:18] The importance of collaboration. [9:53] Challenges in migrating applications from .NET Framework to .NET Core. [12:55] The importance of staying current. [14:48] Modernizing legacy web applications using .NET Core. [19:22] Rebuilding an old app using new technology, with challenges and lessons learned. [24:22] Gradually introducing a new screen using feature flags is better than a "big bang" rewrite. [26:01] Continuous deployment helps to roll out new features gradually to limited users. [27:53] Differences between the .NET framework and .NET Core apps, including configuration settings to environmental awareness. [34:59] Philip's favorite resources to dig into, including his book. [41:20] The power of collaborative learning. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! "Philip Japikse: Professional C# in .NET - Episode 230" Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

6 Touko 202443min

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