Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui - Episode 146

Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui - Episode 146

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Charlie Kindel! Charlie is an American tech executive doing consulting and advising. Formerly, he has held roles with Control4, Amazon, and Microsoft. Much of his career has been spent focused on smart home products. Additionally, he is also the maintainer of Terminal Gui, which is a .NET 5 UI framework for console applications.

In this conversation, Charlie discusses the Terminal Gui and highlights some of the cases where it shines. If you're looking for a full user interface but you only want it to sip — rather than sap — system resources, the Terminal Gui may be the solution you're looking for! It's fun from a retro perspective as it allows people to go and explore the way UIs were back in the 80s and before.

Charlie shares how the Terminal Gui project got started, its current capabilities, the notable applications that use Terminal Gui, its constraints, dependencies, memory usage, potential future integration, and more! Don't miss out on learning about this lightweight UI framework.

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:24] About today's episode with Charlie Kindel

[1:48] Jeffrey welcomes Charlie Kindel to the podcast!

[2:04] Charlie shares some of his notable career highlights.

[4:28] What Jeffrey finds fascinating about Terminal Gui with modern .NET 5.0 applications.

[5:55] How the Terminal Gui project got started and its capabilities.

[7:35] Jeffrey highlights how lightweight Terminal Gui is.

[8:22] Are there any notable applications that use Terminal Gui right now? What is one of Charlie's favorites?

[10:09] What does the control model for Terminal Gui look like for those who want to create a composite control or a new type of control?

[12:11] Are there any limitations besides the layout? What types of controls can be made with Terminal Gui?

[13:46] What are the constraints with Terminal Gui?

[15:46] Is it expected to use a form base model similar to WinForms or WPF? Or more like model-view-controller where you split up the behavior and the layout? What's the intended approach?

[16:56] If someone is going to adopt Terminal Gui and use it for a particular command line EXE, what is the testing story (so that they know if the user interface is behaving properly)?

[17:50] If someone is going to be using Terminal Gui in their build, tests, and deployments, do they need to be aware of any dependencies (besides the library itself)?

[18:27] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[18:58] What do the tests look like in Terminal Gui? What should developers be looking at if they want to write tests?

[20:25] With Terminal Gui, would you deploy as a regular .NET 5.0 assembly? Would most of the time you roll up all the libraries and do a single executable deployment?

[20:51] What are some of the future visions for Terminal Gui?

[22:15] Why you would want to use Terminal Gui if you already use WPF, Xamarin, MAUI, etc.

[23:19] Jeffrey shares one of his first experiences with using Terminal Gui and why he likes it.

[24:09] Has Terminal Gui been tested with really old Windows or constrained hardware?

[24:33] Are there any reports on the footprint of startup memory usage?

[25:03] Jeffrey and Charlie discuss memory measurements.

[26:51] Is tab ordering built into Terminal Gui?

[28:08] Charlie discusses the potential of future integration with MAUI.

[29:19] Charlie shouts out the other contributors on the Terminal Gui project.

[30:24] Where and how to check out Terminal Gui.

[30:50] How to start contributing to the project.

[31:17] Jeffrey thanks Charlie Kindel for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow

Terminal Gui source code

Microsoft PowerShell Graphical Tools

Out-ConsoleGridView (OCG)

Miguel de Icaza's 2019 blog post on Terminal Gui

Presentation from .NET Conf 2018

Video recording of Terminal Gui

Xamarin.Forms with console UI adapter

Selenium

Xamarin

MAUI

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Sagar Lad: Data DevOps and Security - Episode 248

Sagar Lad: Data DevOps and Security - Episode 248

Sagar Lad is a Technical Solution Architect with a leading multinational software company and has deep expertise in implementing Data & Analytics solutions for large enterprises using Cloud and Artificial Intelligence. He is an experienced Azure Platform evangelist with 9+ Years of IT experience and a strong focus on driving cloud adoption for enterprise organizations using Microsoft Cloud Solutions & Offerings. He loves blogging and is an active blogger on Medium, LinkedIn, and the C# Corner developer community. He was awarded the C# Corner MVP in September 2021 for his contributions to the developer community. He's also the author of three books, Mastering Databricks Lakehouse Platform, Azure Security for Critical Workloads, and Hands-On Azure Data Platform. Topics of Discussion: [2:57] Sagar talks about the critical points in his career that led him to technology. [6:01] What turned Sagar on to a love of data? [8:39] With so much technical jargon out there, how do you simplify? [12:40] What is Data Lakehouse? [13:25] What are some common scenarios where Data Lakehouse can be really valuable? [18:53] What does unit testing mean in the data bricks world? [22:10] How long does it take to run the tests in Azure? [25:42] What's the most expensive Databricks environment that Sagar has seen on a monthly basis? [27:54] What are some of the things that are being missed around the industry? [31:42] Sagar says that when we talk about security, there are seven layers. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps .NET Clear Measure Architect Forum Sagar Lad books on Amazon Certifications: Sagar Lad on Credly LinkedIn: Sagar Lad on LinkedIn Twitter: @AzureSagar (Twitter: Sagar Lad) Medium: Sagar Lad on Medium Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

5 Kesä 202334min

René Schumacher: The DevOps Mindset - Episode 247

René Schumacher: The DevOps Mindset - Episode 247

René is a Principal Cloud Solution Architect - Engineering (CSA-E) and technical lead for Azure DevOps and software development processes at Microsoft in Germany. In his role as CE, he helps customers adopt good development practices and processes as well as understanding the principles of DevOps. As an Azure DevOps expert, René trains customers in using the DevOps toolchain and shows ways to integrate Azure DevOps into existing heterogeneous environments. Before his start at Microsoft in late 2008, René had been working as a developer of enterprise logistic systems for almost ten years. Topics of Discussion: [3:05] René's start of his career and how he got into programming. [5:20] How does René define the real difference between the 1990s waterfall mindset and the agile mindset, just from a process perspective? [7:49] How DevOps is an evolution of Agile. [9:13] What is DevOps all about? [11:29] The three ways of DevOps as described in The Phoenix Project: Maximize flow or system thinking. Amplify feedback loops. The culture of continuous experimentation and learning. [16:52] The importance of creating a natural cadence in your iteration. [17:16] What's the best way to standardize across different teams? [21:13] Choosing the right tool at the right point in time. [24:10] What type of test automation does René find himself recommending? [27:50] To René, the most important thing is to get your code right. In addition, unit testing also has a very positive impact on your architecture and design because you're building a testable product. [28:50] What is Rene's view on open telemetry in a DevOps mindset? Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps .NET Clear Measure Architect Forum The Phoenix Project book: A Novel about IT, DevOps, and Helping Your Business Win, by Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, and George Spafford Test-driven development: By Example, by Kent Beck Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, by Kent Beck and Cynthia Andres The Unicorn Project: A Novel about Developers, Digital Disruption, and Thriving in the Age of Data, by Gene Kim The Mythical Man-Month: Essays on Software Engineering, by Frederick Brooks Jr. The Art of Unit Testing: With examples in JavaScript, by Roy Osherove Site Reliability Engineering: How Google Runs Production Systems, by Jennifer Petoff, Niall Murphy, Betsy Beyer, and Chris Jones Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

29 Touko 202337min

Toi Wright: Blazor WebAssembly - Episode 246

Toi Wright: Blazor WebAssembly - Episode 246

Toi B. Wright is an independent consultant who has been working as a software developer for over 25 years. She has a BS in Computer Science and Engineering from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and an MBA from Carnegie Mellon University. She has been a Microsoft MVP in ASP/ASP.NET since 2005. She is also an ASPInsider. Ms. Wright is the author of two editions of Blazor WebAssembly by Example: A project-based guide to building web apps with .NET, Blazor WebAssembly, and C#. She is also the author of other .NET books and training courses. Ms. Wright was the organizer of the original We Are Microsoft — Charity Challenge Weekend, www.wearemicrosoft.com, which was the precursor to Give Camps Everywhere. She is the Founder of the Dallas ASP.NET User Group, www.dallasasp.net. She has been involved with various user groups around Dallas since 1994 and has been running one or more user groups since 2000. She most recently helped organize the new Geeks in Pink group. This group supports women in technology. Topics of Discussion: [3:46] What got Toi into web development? [8:17] What inspired Toi to write a book, and what is it about this version of Blazor web application technology on top of .NET that just that really captivated her? [10:54] What's new in the second version of Blazor web assembly? [13:21] What can people expect now, using Visual Studio and debugging with Blazor WebAssembly? [15:01] Are there specific things that are in a Blazor project that people need to think about when it comes to secure web applications? [17:34] Does Toi know the state of the component vendors out there for web assembly? And do all those components work in the web Assembly version? [20:10] What is Toi's favorite hosting model? [22:59] More about Blazor Unity, and what Toi is excited about most for the future. [28:15] What does Toi think the "normal" .NET application is going to be with all of these choices? Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Toi Wright Toi on Twitter Blazor WebAssembly By Example: Use practical projects to start building web apps with .NET 7, Blazor WebAssembly, and C#, 2nd Edition Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

22 Touko 202331min

Ryan Booz- Modern Databases - Episode 245

Ryan Booz- Modern Databases - Episode 245

Ryan is an Advocate at Redgate focusing on PostgreSQL. Ryan has been working as a PostgreSQL advocate, developer, DBA, and product manager for more than 20 years, primarily working with time-series data on PostgreSQL and the Microsoft Data Platform. Ryan is a long-time DBA, starting with MySQL and Postgres in the late '90s. He spent more than 15 years working with SQL Server before returning to PostgreSQL full-time in 2018. He's at the top of his game when he's learning something new about the data platform or teaching others about the technology he loves. Topics of Discussion: [1:23] Ryan's background and his love of helping people with their data. [6:06] What are some features of Postgres that really intrigued Ryan? [6:12] What are some of the choices in the database world that people should be well versed in? [11:00] Is there a marketplace for these extensions? [15:00] Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and many others have been very interested over the last 3‒4 years in the open-source code base. [15:50] Is there any environment or platform where Postgres can't run? [17:24] Can we use a downsized database engine? [19:19] Ryan discusses Amazon Redshift. [23:58] What's the state of the modern Redgate tools? [26:42] What are the top three tools developers should reach for? [27:00] What are the features of Flyway? Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Ryan Booz Ryan on Sessionize Flyway Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

15 Touko 202332min

Maddy Montaquila: MAUI applications in .NET 7  - Episode 244

Maddy Montaquila: MAUI applications in .NET 7 - Episode 244

Maddy Montaquila is a Senior Product Manager on the .NET MAUI team and has been working with .NET mobile apps since 2018 working on Xamarin tooling. When she first joined Microsoft and worked with the Xamarin team as an intern, she realized the impact that she could have in creating amazing developer tools and frameworks, which inspired her to pursue a role as Program Manager. You can connect with her on Twitter and GitHub @maddymontaquila! Topics of Discussion: [4:21] How did Maddy get lucked into development and the mobile side of product management? [7:39] You can distill product manager roles to the intersection of the technology and what's possible, the business, what's going to make you money, and what your customers actually want and need. [9:17] Why is it important for program managers to have at least some coding background? [10:41] When people dive into Maui, what can they expect right now? [15:44] What tools or resources does someone need to get started, and what are the limitations? [20:44] What is the current DevOps story for going from a developer workstation all the way through testing and packaging, and then finally delivering it to the App Store? [23:47] Is there a favorite deployed test framework? [27:26] Why does Maddy prefer sometimes to work in Xaml? [29:17] If you're going to reach for controls right now, is everything that they need built-in? What is the status of DevExpress? [37:03] It's a great time to be a .net developer! Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps .NetMaui Maddy on LinkedIn .NET Multi-Platform App .Net Maui Samples .Net Maui Development Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

8 Touko 202338min

Andy Roberts: Data in a Development World - Episode 243

Andy Roberts: Data in a Development World - Episode 243

Andy is a Data Platform and AI Architect at Microsoft, where he has worked for over 24 years. A long time ago, his father dropped two books on his desk and said: "Andy, I need you to be an SQL Expert for a meeting tomorrow. Can you handle that?" Recently out of college, he was still accustomed to cramming for an exam, so he showed up the next day, won the project, and began his new life as a "data guy." Since then, he's "been around the (data) block." Whether a developer, database analyst, architect, project lead, or more recently a part of a sales organization, the heart of his job has always revolved around data: acquiring it, shaping it, moving it, protecting it, using it to predict future outcomes, processing it efficiently, etc. Topics of Discussion: [4:56] Andy has always grown up with computers around and has his father to thank for a lot of it. [6:39] What is it that causes some developers to say, I want to write code, but I don't want to mess with the database? [14:29] What does Andy's job as an AI architect look like? [16:19] When you have that predictive function with something to host it, that's where AI happens and when intelligence starts happening in your application. [17:16] The importance of pre-trained models in machine learning. [20:00] What is reinforcement learning? [20:58] Why are we calling some things artificial intelligence and other things, not AI? [24:44] Andy gives his advice for those new to writing software and in developing. [29:08] What is a data lake? [31:48] The importance of thinking about the database as part of the application, not a separate thing. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Andy Roberts LinkedIn Architect Forum Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

1 Touko 202336min

Donovan Brown is Retiring -  Episode 242

Donovan Brown is Retiring - Episode 242

Donovan Brown is a Partner Program Manager in the Azure CTO Incubations team at Microsoft. The Incubations team focuses on forward-looking development and innovation to facilitate the development of new projects and ideas. Before joining Microsoft, Donovan spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master. Donovan has traveled the globe helping companies develop solutions using agile practices in many industries. Donovan is an avid programmer, often finding ways to integrate software into his other hobbies and activities. Topics of Discussion: [7:37] Why is Donovan retiring? [8:49] Donovan talks about redefining his success and the decision he and his wife made to go live the life they want to live. [12:03] Living paycheck to paycheck is a bad idea, regardless of how big the paycheck is. [14:02] The importance of paying yourself first and making good money choices. [17:50] If it's putting money in your pocket, it's an asset. Some houses are assets, while others are liabilities. [18:36] Your money is your number one employee. [23:42] Donovan gives his thoughts on inflation. [31:00] Donovan gives advice for those early on in their career in both programming and making wise money decisions, including avoiding credit card debt. [31:26] The importance of being tenacious despite not having a degree or experience. [40:47] Donovan encourages programmers to learn a language that allows them to dabble in all different platforms. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Ep 002 with Donovan Ep 219 with Donovan Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

24 Huhti 202345min

Tim Corey: Learning Programming - Episode 241

Tim Corey: Learning Programming - Episode 241

Tim learned software development the hard way, with lots of dead-ends, confusion, and knowledge gaps. He kept thinking, "It shouldn't be this hard!" Now he teaches students how to think and code like professional developers. His goal is to make it easier for others to become a developer. He's been recognized as a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional every year since 2017. Topics of Discussion: [:45] How Tim actually got into development at the young age of 12. [6:17] How Tim got over the feeling of not being good enough. [7:55] How Tim got into teaching. [9:42] Tim built his YouTube channel slowly to find a consistent release schedule and passionate audience. [12:55] How to know what language to start in. [19:53] Why Tim is less of a fan of college and why he doesn't recommend it. [22:26] Coding Boot Camps vs. self-paced courses. [27:47] Tim's advice for young programmers suffering from impostor syndrome. [33:12] Every application has two jobs: capture information and display information. [38:01] What are a few of Tim's favorite courses now, and what are universities doing right? Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.network Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Architect Tips — Video podcast! Azure DevOps Tim Corey Tim Corey YouTube Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

17 Huhti 202343min

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