Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui - Episode 146

Charlie Kindel on Terminal.Gui - Episode 146

This week, Jeffrey is joined by Charlie Kindel! Charlie is an American tech executive doing consulting and advising. Formerly, he has held roles with Control4, Amazon, and Microsoft. Much of his career has been spent focused on smart home products. Additionally, he is also the maintainer of Terminal Gui, which is a .NET 5 UI framework for console applications.

In this conversation, Charlie discusses the Terminal Gui and highlights some of the cases where it shines. If you're looking for a full user interface but you only want it to sip — rather than sap — system resources, the Terminal Gui may be the solution you're looking for! It's fun from a retro perspective as it allows people to go and explore the way UIs were back in the 80s and before.

Charlie shares how the Terminal Gui project got started, its current capabilities, the notable applications that use Terminal Gui, its constraints, dependencies, memory usage, potential future integration, and more! Don't miss out on learning about this lightweight UI framework.

Topics of Discussion:

[:14] About The Azure DevOps Podcast, Clear Measure, the new podcast Architect Tips, and Jeffrey's offer to speak at virtual user groups.

[1:24] About today's episode with Charlie Kindel

[1:48] Jeffrey welcomes Charlie Kindel to the podcast!

[2:04] Charlie shares some of his notable career highlights.

[4:28] What Jeffrey finds fascinating about Terminal Gui with modern .NET 5.0 applications.

[5:55] How the Terminal Gui project got started and its capabilities.

[7:35] Jeffrey highlights how lightweight Terminal Gui is.

[8:22] Are there any notable applications that use Terminal Gui right now? What is one of Charlie's favorites?

[10:09] What does the control model for Terminal Gui look like for those who want to create a composite control or a new type of control?

[12:11] Are there any limitations besides the layout? What types of controls can be made with Terminal Gui?

[13:46] What are the constraints with Terminal Gui?

[15:46] Is it expected to use a form base model similar to WinForms or WPF? Or more like model-view-controller where you split up the behavior and the layout? What's the intended approach?

[16:56] If someone is going to adopt Terminal Gui and use it for a particular command line EXE, what is the testing story (so that they know if the user interface is behaving properly)?

[17:50] If someone is going to be using Terminal Gui in their build, tests, and deployments, do they need to be aware of any dependencies (besides the library itself)?

[18:27] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast's sponsor: Clear Measure.

[18:58] What do the tests look like in Terminal Gui? What should developers be looking at if they want to write tests?

[20:25] With Terminal Gui, would you deploy as a regular .NET 5.0 assembly? Would most of the time you roll up all the libraries and do a single executable deployment?

[20:51] What are some of the future visions for Terminal Gui?

[22:15] Why you would want to use Terminal Gui if you already use WPF, Xamarin, MAUI, etc.

[23:19] Jeffrey shares one of his first experiences with using Terminal Gui and why he likes it.

[24:09] Has Terminal Gui been tested with really old Windows or constrained hardware?

[24:33] Are there any reports on the footprint of startup memory usage?

[25:03] Jeffrey and Charlie discuss memory measurements.

[26:51] Is tab ordering built into Terminal Gui?

[28:08] Charlie discusses the potential of future integration with MAUI.

[29:19] Charlie shouts out the other contributors on the Terminal Gui project.

[30:24] Where and how to check out Terminal Gui.

[30:50] How to start contributing to the project.

[31:17] Jeffrey thanks Charlie Kindel for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Architect Tips — New video podcast!

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon!

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsebook — Click here to download the .NET DevOps for Azure ebook!

Jeffrey Palermo's Youtube

Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

The Azure DevOps Podcast's Twitter: @AzureDevOpsShow

Terminal Gui source code

Microsoft PowerShell Graphical Tools

Out-ConsoleGridView (OCG)

Miguel de Icaza's 2019 blog post on Terminal Gui

Presentation from .NET Conf 2018

Video recording of Terminal Gui

Xamarin.Forms with console UI adapter

Selenium

Xamarin

MAUI

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Mads Torgersen: C# Insights with Language Designer - Episode 325

Mads Torgersen: C# Insights with Language Designer - Episode 325

Mads is the Lead Designer of the C# language and has been at Microsoft for 18 years. Prior to this, Mads was a professor and contributed to a language starting with J. He was previously on episode 164 of the podcast where he spoke about the latest on C# at the time. Topics of Discussion: [3:43] Mads's career journey. [5:14] C# Compiler and language evolution. [9:18] C# 12 and 13 features. [14:35] The impact of the new features. [18:11] The importance of gathering user feedback in refining and expanding new features. [22:19] What's the best avenue to learn if you're coming in fresh? [26:30] Mads explains the goal for C# this year. [37:51] Mads views generative AI as a productivity boost rather than a replacement for human programmers. [38:00] Does C# have a category? [40:55] Generative AI and its impact on programming. [43:43] Serving as another productivity booster for developing code. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! .NET C#slang Mads on Ep 164 C# Guide Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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John Callaway: Blazor and IoT - Episode 324

John Callaway: Blazor and IoT - Episode 324

John Callaway is an International Speaker and author and has received many Microsoft MVP awards. He has been a professional developer since 1999, focusing primarily on web technologies. Currently, he specializes in C# and .NET in Azure. Clean code and professionalism are particularly important to him, as well as mentoring and teaching others what he has learned along the way. He was a podcaster for several years at the 6Figure Developer podcast. He is available for independent and freelance software consulting work and enjoys speaking and presenting on various topics. You can contact him at john.callaway@outlook.com. Topics of Discussion: [3:08] A few of John's career highlights. [4:53] What is the RetroPie Manager? [9:24] Details of the RetroPie Manager Project. [13:50] Used Vehicle Checklist. [18:45] The use of local storage in the checklist application and the potential for future enhancements. [21:23] Future trends in web development and AI tools. [27:00] The impact of AI tools like ChatGPT and Copilot on development productivity and quality. [28:01] John emphasizes the need for developers to continue defining application architectures and translating user requirements. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! John Callaway LinkedIn St. Pete .NET Meetup The 6 Figure Developer Yet Another RetroPie Manager Used Vehicle Checklist David Pine Fluent UI Blazor Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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David Morton: What is a Data Scientist - Episode 323

David Morton: What is a Data Scientist - Episode 323

David Morton is a technologist with extensive experience across various sectors, including retail, finance, consulting, energy, and commodities trading. David has successfully contributed to companies of all sizes, from small startups to large enterprises with up to 60,000 employees. Renowned for his ability to simplify complex concepts and solutions, he believes in using the most effective tools to address challenges efficiently and elegantly. Topics of Discussion: [2:41] David Morton's background and early Career. [5:30] What is a data scientist? [7:35] Data Science vs. Software Engineering. [12:08] Hypothesis Testing and Model Building. [12:49] David explains the concept of a model in data science, using the metaphor of how a grandmother thinks about someone. [13:04] How models are mathematical representations of the real world, used for prediction and analysis. [15:06] Data science models vs. a GPT model. [18:08] The importance of using the right tool for the job. [26:10] The operational side of data science and the role of machine learning. [35:56] Practical examples of Data Science applications. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! David Morton LinkedIn David Morton GitHub Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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David Fowler: Architecture of .NET Aspire - Episode 322

David Fowler: Architecture of .NET Aspire - Episode 322

David Fowler is a Distinguished Engineer and has been at Microsoft for over 16 years working on developer frameworks and tools in the .NET space. He's one of the creators of several popular OSS frameworks and tools such as .NET Aspire, NuGet, SignalR, and ASP.NET Core. He also architected the Azure SignalR Service, a service for doing real-time WebSocket-based communication at scale. He's an avid open-source advocate and developer currently focused on simplifying developer experiences in the microservice space. David is also passionate about mentoring, supporting individual contributors in their careers, and helping underrepresented folks get interested in technology. Topics of Discussion: [3:14] David's career journey. [4:28] Development of.NET Aspire. [6:47] Evolution of front-end and back-end architectures. [13:27] Challenges and Improvements in.NET Aspire. [19:08] The set of resources they chose to start with. [21:48] The Infrastructure Library. [25:23] The potential for creating templates to streamline the bootstrapping process for teams and projects. [28:58] Does Azure API include networking in the firewall rules? [31:52] What are the things David is most excited about with DevStory? [32:3] The "wait for" feature. [38:03] The complexity of implementing health checks. [44:53] What is Dapper? [44:01] Future Vision for.NET Aspire. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! David Fowler GitHub David on LinkedIn David Fowler Microsoft David Fowler, Author at .NET Blog Azure Provisioning 3.0 GitHub NET Aspire Overview .NET Conf2024 Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

4 Marras 202450min

Bob Ward: SQL Server - Episode 321

Bob Ward: SQL Server - Episode 321

Bob Ward is a Principal Architect for the Microsoft Azure Data team, which owns the development for Microsoft SQL Edge to Cloud. Bob has worked for Microsoft for 30-plus years on every version of SQL Server shipped from OS/2 1.1 to SQL Server 2022, including Azure SQL. Bob is a well-known speaker on SQL Server, Azure SQL, AI, and Microsoft Fabric, often presenting talks on new releases, internals, and specialized topics at events such as SQLBits, Microsoft Build, Microsoft Ignite, PASS Summit, DevIntersection, and VS Live. You can also learn Azure SQL from him on the popular series aka.ms/azuresql4beginners. You can follow him at @bobwardms or linkedin.com/in/bobwardms. Bob is the author of the books Pro SQL Server on Linux, SQL Server 2019 Revealed, Azure SQL Revealed, and SQL Server 2022 Revealed, available from Apress Media. Topics of Discussion: [4:22] Bob's long history with Microsoft and the evolution of SQL Server. [6:41] What are the big use cases that SQL Server can now do? [7:38] Beyond RDBMS framework. [9:34] Building innovation off an already trusted brand. [9:50] What's the vision of AI on SQL Server? [10:51] It's all about smarter searching. [14:26] AI assistance features in SQL Server, such as the SQL Copilot and natural language to SQL query generation. [16:02] Hybrid searching. [19:41] Challenges and opportunities in AI Integration. [20:43] Content moderation is now being added to the loop. [22:39] The categories of different models. [23:16] The potential for industry-specific models to enhance AI capabilities in fields like insurance underwriting. [28:19] Knowing which model to use. [33:17] The trend towards industry-specific training of AI models to better suit specific business needs. [34:07] The current vision for SQL Server. [35:22] Innovating in the cloud. [38:30] The potential for SQL Server to handle AI workloads on small form factors, such as edge devices and standalone boards. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Ep 162 with Bob Ward Bob on LinkedIn Azure SQL Revealed: The Next-Generation Cloud Database with AI and Microsoft Fabric SQL-AI-Samples Samples Intelligent Applications with Azure SQL Database LangChain Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

28 Loka 202440min

Jeff Wouters: PowerShell Programming - Episode 320

Jeff Wouters: PowerShell Programming - Episode 320

Jeff was born and raised in The Netherlands and is an IT geek with a passion for automation. At the young age of 6, he had his very first computer and started developing his own Pacman to learn Batch programming. Looking back, the performance was terrible, but it worked. Over the years, he has always kept in touch with some sort of scripting or programming languages, such as Batch, (Turbo) Pascal, PHP, Delphi, Kixtart, Visual Basic Scripting (VBS), VB .NET, PowerShell, and C# .NET (Core). He is the owner of Methos, a consultancy and managed services company from The Netherlands focused on Microsoft Modern Workplace (Windows + Intune + Office365) and Azure through automation and Infrastructure-as-Code. Topics of Discussion: [4:19] Jeff's passion and the three turning points in his career. [8:47] The architecture and intention behind PowerShell being built on .NET. [12:33] What are the biggest mistakes Jeff sees people making when it comes to PowerShell? [11:50] Best practices for using PowerShell in DevOps environments, and common mistakes to avoid. [16:04] Differences between binary and PowerShell-based modules, and the benefits of exploring module code. [18:18] Leveraging .NET code in PowerShell scripts and the advantages of this approach. [20:00] Preferred methods for writing automated tests for PowerShell code. [23:39] Jeff's current focus areas, including certifications and his upcoming "script portal" project. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Jeff on Twitter Jeff on LinkedIn Jeff Wouters Methos jeff@methos.nl Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Database Hygiene: Grant Fritchey - Episode 319

Database Hygiene: Grant Fritchey - Episode 319

Grant Fritchey has over thirty years of experience in IT, specializing in development and database administration. He works for Red Gate Software as a Product Advocate and writes articles for SQL Server Central and Simple-Talk. He is the author of "SQL Server Execution Plans" and "SQL Server Query Performance Tuning." He also co-authored "Query Store for SQL Server 2019," "Expert Performance Indexing," "SQL Server MVP Deep Dives 2," "Beginning SQL Server 2012 Administration," and "Pro SQL Server 2012 Practices." He presents at conferences and user groups worldwide and is available for part-time, short-term consulting contracts.Since 2009, he has been recognized as a Microsoft SQL Server MVP. He has received the AWS Community Builder award for the past five years. In 2014, he was honored as a Dunn & Bradstreet MVP, and in 2011, he received the Tech10 Award in Rhode Island. Topics of Discussion: [:35] Introduction of Grant Fritchey and his career in IT and database administration. [3:23] Grant's journey from software development to becoming a DBA. [5:13] The importance of database selection and how different types of databases serve different needs. [11:27] Grant's view on the addition of document support to major database platforms. [13:29] Database hygiene basics and the importance of regular backups and restore practices. [19:26] The business side of database recovery and balancing cost with recovery objectives (RPO/RTO). [25:03] Grant's recommendations for testing database restores. [28:08] Automation in DevOps and the importance of human training in recovery processes. [31:53] Managing data warehouses and recovery strategies for large databases. [35:12] Resources for developers without dedicated DBAs to ensure good database hygiene. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! SimpleTalk by Redgate ScaryDBA.com Grant Fritchey on X Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

14 Loka 202437min

Programming Windows: Dave Plummer - Episode 318

Programming Windows: Dave Plummer - Episode 318

Dave was a developer or development manager on each of the major operating systems from MS-DOS 6.2 through Server 2003 while at Microsoft from 1993 to 2003. He's worked on MS-DOS products, OLE objects, Win95, Windows NT, and the NT Pinball game. He also wrote and helped design the initial prototype of Windows Media Center. Dave also added Product Activation to the Windows platform including various anti-tampering mechanisms to prevent illegal copying of the product. He's also worked on Task Manager, Zip Folders, and Calculator as he focused on the Windows Shell. He currently runs a very popular online show called Dave's Garage on YouTube, where he demystifies various software engineering topics. Topics of Discussion: [:35] Introduction of Dave, his background, and his career at Microsoft. [3:47] Dave's experience at Microsoft in the 1990s: the environment, culture, and working with some of the best developers in the world. [5:19] What led Dave to work on the Windows shell and user interface development. [7:38] The challenges of porting code from Windows 95 to Windows NT and working with operating system differences. [9:25] Dave's work on Task Manager, Zip Folders, and Windows Media Center. [13:23] The state of software engineering today: Dave's take on modern systems, embedded programming, and the rise of AI. [14:34] Embedded systems programming: Dave's work with ESP32 chips, their features, and applications. [19:16] Thoughts on AI and its impact on software development: Will AI eventually write all the code? [21:14] The future of software engineering: How AI will change the role of developers and the need for debugging and architectural understanding. [22:47] Dave's advice for young programmers: Learning C++, Python, and the importance of understanding system architecture. Mentioned in this Episode: Clear Measure Way Architect Forum Software Engineer Forum Programming with Palermo — New Video Podcast! Email us at programming@palermo.net. Clear Measure, Inc. (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer's Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo's Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Github Dave Plummer Dave Plummer on X Dave's Garage You Can Learn the ESP32 World! Source Level Debugging NEW LED Project Programming the ESP32 From Scratch Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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