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Clattenburg: United Mind Games, Liverpool Bust Ups & Forest Job! The Overlap Fan Debate

In this episode of the Fan Debate brought to you by Sky Bet, Jamie Carragher and Paul Scholes are joined by former Premier League (and current Gladiators!) referee Mark Clattenburg.

The show kicks off with Mark opening up about his role as Referee Consultant at Nottingham Forest, including the backlash that came with that.

We'll hear about player conflicts - including Craig Bellamy and Adam Lallana - as well as his heated relationship with with Jurgen Klopp, plus Jose Mourinho’s charm.

Mark then delves into his controversial refereeing decisions, the impact of VAR and the difficulty of dealing with social media backlash. Plus, we get the reason behind Clattenburg’s tattoos, the highs and lows of his career and officiating major finals.

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00:00 – Intro

01:52 – Mark Clattenburg at Nottingham Forest

07:13 – Referees Declaring Their Football Team

15:06 – Mark Clattenburg’s Role as Referee Consultant at Nottingham Forest

19:00 – Mark Clattenburg’s Journey to Refereeing

22:18 – Mark Clattenburg’s Clash with Craig Bellamy + Adam Lallana

27:17 – The Impact of Social Media on Referees

31:50 – Manchester United’s Mind Games and Jose Mourinho’s Charm

33:11 – Clattenburg’s Clash with Jurgen Klopp

37:08 – Refereeing Bayern Munich v Barcelona in the Champions League

39:51 – Refereeing Mistakes in the Merseyside Derby

43:26 – Champions League Final: Real Madrid v Atletico Madrid

46:53 – Clattenburg’s Tattoos

49:50 – Clattenburg’s Thoughts on VAR

53:06 – Do Referees Have an Agenda Against Certain Clubs?

55:48 – The Best Referee in the Premier League Right Now + Chat on Added Time

01:06:10 – What Rule in Football Would Mark Clattenburg Change?

01:09:07 – Flav Takes on a Tottenham Hotspur Quiz

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