The Truth About Crypto Super Apps with Mert and Backpack Co-Founder Armani Ferrante
The Rollup21 Huhti 2025

The Truth About Crypto Super Apps with Mert and Backpack Co-Founder Armani Ferrante

The race for the ultimate crypto super app is heating up. Who will own the user experience?

In this episode, we chat with Mert Mumtaz, CEO of Helius, and Armani Ferrante, CEO of Backpack. Armani takes us through his transition from Apple to Alameda Research, and how that journey led to building one of Solana’s fastest-growing platforms.

As markets deal with tariff tensions, institutional adoption is quietly gaining momentum. We dive into the "fat wallet thesis," the shifting role of Bitcoin in smart contract platforms, and how the finance-crypto merger creates opportunities.

We also talk about Backpack’s unique approach to balancing censorship resistance with compliance, which is one of the biggest challenges for crypto to go mainstream.

Let's jump in.


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đ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

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Rollup TV: Money Moves Fast EP #3 & zkVerify

Rollup TV: Money Moves Fast EP #3 & zkVerify

The Rollup TV is brought to you by:Boundless: https://beboundless.xyz/AltLayer: https://www.altlayer.io/Vertex: https://vertexprotocol.com/Subsquid: https://www.sqd.ai/Join The Rollup Family:Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd..Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

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Why Prediction Markets Will Become The Largest Financial Market with Kalshi Co-Founder Tarek Mansour

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We sit down with Tarek Mansour, co-founder and CEO of Kalshi, to cover:- From Goldman & Citadel to Building Kalshi- Why Every Question About the Future Deserves a Market- The $2B Vision: Becoming the Largest Financial Market- How Crypto Enables Permissionless Innovation- Prediction Markets x Streaming: The Future of Media- Kalshi Echo: 600+ Devs Building on Their Platform---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

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Why AI Will Replace the Labor Force with Emad Mostaque

Why AI Will Replace the Labor Force with Emad Mostaque

Today we chat with Emad Mostaque to cover:-Why Open Source AI Is Non-Negotiable-Private Portable AI vs. Corporate Data Harvesting-Foundation Coin: A New Economic Model for AI-Organic Datasets & Cultural Bias in Training-His 50% P(doom) on AI Existential Risk-The Revenue Evil Curve Hitting ChatGPT-Post-Scarcity Economics: Who Gets Left Behind?The Rollup---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

28 Syys 202555min

How Plasma Plans To Win The Trillion-Dollar Stablecoin Battle with Paul Faecks

How Plasma Plans To Win The Trillion-Dollar Stablecoin Battle with Paul Faecks

Today we sit down with Paul Faecks to cover:-Why Plasma's Launch Avoided All the FUD-280M Binance Users Getting On-Chain Yields-The $SPL Token Economics Strategy-Plasma One: Neo-Banking for the Unbanked-Competing With Visa at $50B+ Market Cap-Why "At Scale" Will Look Different in 5 Years-Tether Partnership & USDt DominanceThe Rollup---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

27 Syys 202529min

Tether's $500B Valuation: Why Stablecoins Are Becoming The New Goldman Sachs with Carl Vogel and Bhau Kotecha

Tether's $500B Valuation: Why Stablecoins Are Becoming The New Goldman Sachs with Carl Vogel and Bhau Kotecha

In today's episode, we sit down with Carl Vogel of 6thMan Ventures and Bhau Kotecha of Paxos Labs to explore:-Tether's $500B Valuation: Bullish or Bearish?-AI Agents & Stablecoin Payment Rails-Stablecoins as US Derivatives Collateral-The Path to $1 Trillion Stablecoin Supply-Private Credit & On-Chain Lending Boom-Plasma Mainnet & The Stablecoin Chain Wars-Why Regulatory Clarity Changes EverythingThe Rollup---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

26 Syys 202535min

Why The Future of Interactive Streaming Is Onchain with Jesse Pollock

Why The Future of Interactive Streaming Is Onchain with Jesse Pollock

Today we sit down with Jesse Pollak to cover:-How Base Flips the 95% Platform Tax on Creators-Control the Stream: Viewers as Remote Controllers-Creator Coins Done Right vs. Wrong-Why Mini-Apps Are the Future of Interactive Media-Building Creator Capital Markets from Scratch-The Emergence of Onchain Streaming Economies---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd...Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

26 Syys 202522min

Rollup TV: Base, Vaneck and Stabled Up EP #2

Rollup TV: Base, Vaneck and Stabled Up EP #2

The Rollup TV is brought to you by:AltLayer: https://www.altlayer.io/SQD: https://www.sqd.ai/Kalshi: https://t.co/UEGdJMRFFZNEAR: https://kalshi.onelink.me/1r91/kalshixFrax: https://frax.comPolygon: https://polygon.technologyTalus: https://testnet.talus.network/testnetRelay: https://linktr.ee/relayprotocolJoin The Rollup Family:Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd..Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

25 Syys 20252h 23min

Why T+2 Settlement Is About to Become Obsolete with Carlos Domingo

Why T+2 Settlement Is About to Become Obsolete with Carlos Domingo

We chat with Carlos Domingo to cover:-RLUSD Partnership: Instant Liquidity for BlackRock & VanEck-Why T+2 Settlement Is Becoming Obsolete-Tokenized Treasuries as High-Quality Collateral-Multi-Chain Strategy vs Payment Chain Wars-How 24/7 Markets Will Replace Traditional Hours-The Future of Atomic SettlementLet's dive in.The Rollup---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5?si=f5ab82aaf7e2428dPodcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

24 Syys 202519min