The Truth About Crypto Super Apps with Mert and Backpack Co-Founder Armani Ferrante
The Rollup21 Huhti 2025

The Truth About Crypto Super Apps with Mert and Backpack Co-Founder Armani Ferrante

The race for the ultimate crypto super app is heating up. Who will own the user experience?

In this episode, we chat with Mert Mumtaz, CEO of Helius, and Armani Ferrante, CEO of Backpack. Armani takes us through his transition from Apple to Alameda Research, and how that journey led to building one of Solana’s fastest-growing platforms.

As markets deal with tariff tensions, institutional adoption is quietly gaining momentum. We dive into the "fat wallet thesis," the shifting role of Bitcoin in smart contract platforms, and how the finance-crypto merger creates opportunities.

We also talk about Backpack’s unique approach to balancing censorship resistance with compliance, which is one of the biggest challenges for crypto to go mainstream.

Let's jump in.


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đ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

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How ZK-SNARKs Will Transform Ethereum with Justin Drake

How ZK-SNARKs Will Transform Ethereum with Justin Drake

ZK-SNARKs are moving from experimental tech to Ethereum's core infrastructure faster than most realize.Today we sit down with Justin Drake from the Ethereum Foundation to explore the "Giga Gas Frontier", his vision for 1 billion gas per second on L1, privacy wormholes bringing anonymity directly to Ethereum, and why collaborative proving networks unlock massive throughput.We cover how ZK solves institutional pain points around privacy and post-quantum security, plus Justin's thoughts on the newly rebranded Privacy Stewards of Ethereum team.Let's get into it.The Rollup---Timestamps:00:44 Justin's ZK Journey07:00 Starknet Ad07:30 Boundless & Eth Collab09:45 ZKVM Diversity12:38 Ethereum Roadmap: What’s Next?14:50 Ethereum’s Institutional Appeal18:20 Institutions on ZK & Quantum21:30 Collaborative Proving Networks---Justin Drake Socials: https://x.com/drakefjustinEthereum Foundation Socials: https://x.com/ethereumfndnEthereum Foundation Website: https://ethereum.foundation/---Recall is the reputation layer for the Internet of Agents. Trusted. Verifiable. Merit-based. Built for a future where AI agents discover each other through proven performance, not marketing budgets. Learn more here: https://recall.network/---đ—Șđ—Č 𝘁𝗿𝘆 đ—Œđ˜‚đ—ż 𝗯đ—Č𝘀𝘁 đ˜đ—Œ đ—œđ—żđ—Œđ—±đ˜‚đ—°đ—Č đ—”đ—¶đ—Žđ—”-đ—Ÿđ˜‚đ—źđ—čđ—¶đ˜đ˜†, đ—»đ—Œđ—»-đ—Żđ—¶đ—źđ˜€đ—Čđ—±, đ—Čđ—±đ˜‚đ—°đ—źđ˜đ—¶đ—Œđ—»đ—źđ—č đ—°đ—Œđ—»đ˜đ—Čđ—»đ˜ đ—łđ—Œđ—ż đ˜đ—”đ—Č đ—°đ—żđ˜†đ—œđ˜đ—Œ đ—Čđ—°đ—Œđ˜€đ˜†đ˜€đ˜đ—Čđ—ș. đ—Šđ˜‚đ—œđ—œđ—Œđ—żđ˜ 𝘂𝘀 đ˜„đ—”đ—¶đ—čđ—Č đ—čđ—Čđ—źđ—żđ—»đ—¶đ—»đ—Ž đ—șđ—Œđ—żđ—Č đ—źđ—Żđ—Œđ˜‚đ˜ đ—¶đ—șđ—œđ—Œđ—żđ˜đ—źđ—»đ˜ đ—°đ—Œđ—»đ—°đ—Čđ—œđ˜đ˜€ 𝗯𝘆 𝗰đ—čđ—¶đ—°đ—žđ—¶đ—»đ—Ž đ—źđ—»đ˜† đ—Œđ—ł đ˜đ—”đ—Č đ—čđ—¶đ—»đ—žđ˜€ 𝗯đ—Čđ—čđ—Œđ˜„ đ—łđ—Œđ—ż 𝗳𝗿đ—Čđ—Č 𝗿đ—Čđ˜€đ—Œđ˜‚đ—żđ—°đ—Č𝘀:Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5?si=f5ab82aaf7e2428dPodcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-discl...đ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

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The Rollup TV: Boundless Mainnet Special

The Rollup TV: Boundless Mainnet Special

The Rollup TV is brought to you by:Boundless: https://beboundless.xyz/AltLayer: https://www.altlayer.io/Vertex: https://vertexprotocol.com/Subsquid: https://www.sqd.ai/Join The Rollup Family:Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd..Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

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How Institutional Capital Actually Comes Onchain with Sean Li

How Institutional Capital Actually Comes Onchain with Sean Li

The biggest capital in the world needs guardrails to come onchain.Today we sit down with Sean Li from Magic Labs to explore Newton Protocol's policy engine - the infrastructure that could unlock institutional adoption. We cover how Web3 policies lag behind Web2's dynamic systems and Sean's vision for autonomous agents operating within expressive guardrails.Let's jump into it.The Rollup---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5?si=f5ab82aaf7e2428dPodcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

15 Syys 202534min

Can Prediction Markets Outpace Securities Trading? With Farrokh and Carlos Domingo

Can Prediction Markets Outpace Securities Trading? With Farrokh and Carlos Domingo

Today we bring together Farrokh from Myriad and Carlos Domingo, CEO of Securitize.Farrokh explains how prediction markets are reshaping information trading, why combining media with prediction markets creates the perfect monetization flywheel, and makes the case for a multi-trillion dollar industry.Carlos discusses RWA tokenization and the clash between walled-garden versus open blockchain approaches.We also cover creator token sustainability and how Farrokh landed the only crypto interview with Trump.Let's jump into it.The Rollup---Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5?si=f5ab82aaf7e2428dPodcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

14 Syys 202537min

Circle CTO: Why We Built Our Own Payment Chain with Nikhil Chandhok

Circle CTO: Why We Built Our Own Payment Chain with Nikhil Chandhok

Stablecoins are becoming the foundation of global finance, but scaling them requires purpose-built infrastructure.In today's episode, we sit down with Nikhil from Circle to explore why they're building Arc, their dedicated payments chain for USDC and the competitive landscape of stablecoin infrastructure. Let's get into it.The RollupWebsite: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5?si=f5ab82aaf7e2428dPodcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

13 Syys 202528min

The Rollup TV: Our Next Chapter

The Rollup TV: Our Next Chapter

The Rollup TV is brought to you by:Boundless: https://beboundless.xyz/AltLayer: https://www.altlayer.io/Vertex: https://vertexprotocol.com/Subsquid: https://www.sqd.ai/Join The Rollup Family:Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd..Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

13 Syys 20252h 48min

Inside Hyperliquid's Stablecoin Showdown: Vance Spencer Breaks Down the USDH Fight

Inside Hyperliquid's Stablecoin Showdown: Vance Spencer Breaks Down the USDH Fight

The stablecoin wars have arrived at Hyperliquid, and $200 million in annual profits hangs in the balance.Today, we sit down with Vance Spencer from Framework Ventures to break down the USDH ticker battle. With $5.5 billion of USDC in Hyperliquid's bridge, teams are competing for crypto's most valuable stablecoin partnership.We explore Sky's proposal, jurisdictional diversification risks, and why this represents the first inning of a much larger game.Let's get into it.The RollupWebsite: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd9vbF3hJA2n7qoL5?si=f5ab82aaf7e2428dPodcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

12 Syys 202536min

The Rollup TV: Newton, Open World, Aptos

The Rollup TV: Newton, Open World, Aptos

The Rollup TV is brought to you by:Boundless: https://beboundless.xyz/AltLayer: https://www.altlayer.io/Vertex: https://vertexprotocol.com/Subsquid: https://www.sqd.ai/Join The Rollup Family:Website: https://therollup.co/Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/1P6ZeYd..Podcast: https://therollup.co/category/podcastFollow us on X: https://www.x.com/therollupcoFollow Rob on X: https://www.x.com/robbie_rollupFollow Andy on X: https://www.x.com/ayyyeandyJoin our TG group: https://t.me/+8ARkR_YZixE5YjBhThe Rollup Disclosures: https://therollup.co/the-rollup-disclđ——đ—œđ—Šđ—–đ—Ÿđ—”đ—œđ— đ—˜đ—„: đ˜đ˜Żđ˜·đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜€đ˜łđ˜șđ˜±đ˜”đ˜°đ˜€đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜ș đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘋𝘩𝘍đ˜Ș đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜źđ˜Ž đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜Šđ˜Ž 𝘾đ˜Șđ˜”đ˜© đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜©đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬𝘮 đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜­đ˜¶đ˜„đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 đ˜”đ˜Šđ˜€đ˜©đ˜Żđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜ąđ˜­ 𝘳đ˜Ș𝘮𝘬, đ˜©đ˜¶đ˜źđ˜ąđ˜Ż 𝘩𝘳𝘳𝘰𝘳, đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź 𝘧𝘱đ˜Șđ˜­đ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜„ 𝘼𝘰𝘳𝘩. đ˜ˆđ˜” đ˜€đ˜Šđ˜łđ˜”đ˜ąđ˜Ș𝘯 đ˜±đ˜°đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Ž đ˜”đ˜©đ˜łđ˜°đ˜¶đ˜šđ˜©đ˜°đ˜¶đ˜” đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜©đ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜Żđ˜Šđ˜­, 𝘾𝘩 𝘼𝘱đ˜ș 𝘩𝘱𝘳𝘯 𝘱 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜źđ˜źđ˜Ș𝘮𝘮đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘳 𝘧𝘩𝘩 𝘱𝘮 𝘱 đ˜Žđ˜±đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜°đ˜łđ˜Žđ˜©đ˜Șđ˜±, đ˜Ș𝘧 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Š đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜Žđ˜Š 𝘾𝘩 𝘾đ˜Ș𝘭𝘭 𝘱𝘭𝘾𝘱đ˜ș𝘮 𝘼𝘱𝘬𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜¶đ˜łđ˜Š đ˜Șđ˜” đ˜Ș𝘮 đ˜€đ˜­đ˜Šđ˜ąđ˜ł. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Žđ˜”đ˜łđ˜Șđ˜€đ˜”đ˜­đ˜ș 𝘱𝘯 đ˜Šđ˜„đ˜¶đ˜€đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭 đ˜€đ˜°đ˜Żđ˜”đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜” đ˜±đ˜­đ˜ąđ˜”đ˜§đ˜°đ˜łđ˜ź, đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜”đ˜©đ˜Ș𝘯𝘹 𝘾𝘩 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘩𝘳 đ˜Ș𝘮 𝘧đ˜Șđ˜Żđ˜ąđ˜Żđ˜€đ˜Ș𝘱𝘭 đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Š. 𝘞𝘩 𝘱𝘳𝘩 đ˜Żđ˜°đ˜” đ˜±đ˜łđ˜°đ˜§đ˜Šđ˜Žđ˜Žđ˜Ș𝘰𝘯𝘱𝘭𝘮 𝘰𝘳 𝘭đ˜Șđ˜€đ˜Šđ˜Żđ˜Žđ˜Šđ˜„ đ˜ąđ˜„đ˜·đ˜Ș𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘮.

12 Syys 20251h 48min