A Conversation with Peter Van Sant on "“Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard," 48 Hours, and a Career Covering Murder
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A Conversation with Peter Van Sant on "“Trained to Kill: The Dog Trainer, the Heiress and the Bodyguard," 48 Hours, and a Career Covering Murder

The story of the disappearance of T. Mark Stover is filled with twists and turns. Stover was known as the dog whisperer of the Pacific Northwest, and boasted clients like famous rockers and Hollywood stars. Then, in 2009, he vanished.

We were recently fortunate enough to speak with 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant about this case and his new podcast, Trained to Kill, out now on all podcast platforms. It’s dropping new episodes until May 9.

Here's Peter Van Sant's page on on CBS's website: https://www.cbsnews.com/team/peter-van-sant/

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The Delphi Murders: Baldwin's Complaint: Part One

The Delphi Murders: Baldwin's Complaint: Part One

On February 13, 2017, a man named Richard Allen murdered two girls, 14-year-old Liberty German and 13-year-old Abigail Williams in Delphi, in Carroll County. Carroll County Prosecutor Nicholas McLeland and his team, Stacey Diener and James Luttrull, prosecuted him. Allen’s defense team consisted of lead counsel Brad Rozzi, Jennifer Auger, and Andrew Baldwin. That defense team established a consistent pattern of engaging in baseless personal attacks on prosecutors and detectives throughout their representation, and also put forward a flimsy theory of the case centering an alleged Norse pagan cult. Allen was convicted on November 11, 2024 by a jury of his peers. The Murder Sheet can now exclusively report that Baldwin filed a ridiculous complaint against McLeland this past summer with Indiana’s Disciplinary Commission, a body tasked with disciplinary complaints against lawyers. Baldwin's complaint was dismissed on its face. But we can now share that this was not the only frivolous complaint filed regarding the Delphi murders — we got one too.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

3 Joulu 58min

Serial Killers and Pen Pals: A Conversation with Forensic Psychologist Jeff Smalldon on His Correspondences with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and More

Serial Killers and Pen Pals: A Conversation with Forensic Psychologist Jeff Smalldon on His Correspondences with Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and More

Dr. Jeffrey Smalldon has corresponded with some of the most infamous killers in United States history.That habit started long before he became a distinguished forensic psychologist, an expert on what makes killers tick.In his new book, That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Five Decades of Conversations with Killers, Jeff delves into his correspondence with infamous killers and figures like Charles Manson, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, and more.Get Jeff's book That Beast Was Not Me here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/that-beast-was-not-me-one-forensic-psychologist-five-decades-of-conversations-with-killers-jeffrey-l-smalldon/a4e8236eb8ace300?ean=9798986512488&next=tOr here, on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/That-Beast-Was-Not-Conversations-ebook/dp/B0D6WPF17HCheck out Jeffrey Smalldon's email and newsletter here: https://jeffreysmalldon.com/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

2 Joulu 1h 8min

The Murder of Joseph Gatto: An Interview with His Son Mike Gatto

The Murder of Joseph Gatto: An Interview with His Son Mike Gatto

On November 13, 2013, 78-years-old Joseph Gatto was discovered dead in his home in the Silver Lake community of Los Angeles, California. The grandfather and artist had been shot in the abdomen.His son Mike served for years in the California State Assembly. But after that day, Mike became immersed in the investigation into his father's murder. Today, the case remains unsolved. But Mike has revealed inside information on the case in his new book, Noir by Necessity: How My Father's Unsolved Murder Took Me to Dark Places.The book is a necessary look into the agony and confusion that victims' loved ones go through, as well as an incisive look at this case and what went wrong with the investigation.By Noir by Necessity: How My Father's Unsolved Murder Took Me to Dark Places here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/noir-by-necessity-how-my-father-s-unsolved-murder-took-me-to-dark-places-mike-gatto/bf053885905d2be2?ean=9781685133818&next=tOr get it here, on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Noir-Necessity-Fathers-Unsolved-Murder/dp/1685133819Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

30 Marras 46min

The Cheat Sheet: Candy and Concocted Confessions

The Cheat Sheet: Candy and Concocted Confessions

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana, Oklahoma, Washington, and New York.Fox 59’s coverage of the recent death penalty development in the case of Shane Meehan, the man accused of murdering Greg Ferency: https://fox59.com/news/death-penalty-sought-for-man-charged-in-shooting-death-of-indiana-police-detective/KTUL’s coverage of the arrest of Angie Cutnose for the murder of Todd Sanseverino: https://ktul.com/news/local/62-year-old-woman-arrested-in-1997-cold-case-murder-tulsa-county-sheriffs-office-cold-case-task-force-new-information-first-degree-murder-charge-filedNews on 6’s coverage of the arrest of Angie Cutnose for the murder of Todd Sanseverino: https://www.newson6.com/crime/woman-arrested-in-1997-sand-springs-cold-case-murderWe accessed the Tulsa World, The Daily Oklahoman, the Sapulpa Daily Herald, and the Associated Press through Newspapers.com.ABC News’s report on the suicide of Jay Taylor, a 13-year-old boy who was pushed to die and livestream his suicide by an online extremist network: https://abcnews.go.com/US/10-minutes-murder-family-speaking-online-extremist-network/story?id=127039503The New York Times’s article on a Georgian man who admitted to attempting to spur hate attacks against Jewish children in New York City: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/17/nyregion/commander-butcher-guilty-plea.htmlFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

28 Marras 53min

The Yogurt Shop Murders and Serial Killer Robert Eugene Brashers: First Person: Deborah Brashers: Part Two

The Yogurt Shop Murders and Serial Killer Robert Eugene Brashers: First Person: Deborah Brashers: Part Two

Robert Eugene Brashers was a serial killer. He murdered women and children.But at home, he was a father his daughter and stepchildren admired.Today, we will hear from Brashers's biological daughter, Deborah. In this episode, she will recall learning that her father was a serial killer, and what she's doing today to try to raise awareness and possibly uncover other crimes he committed.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

25 Marras 54min

The Yogurt Shop Murders and Serial Killer Robert Eugene Brashers: First Person: Deborah Brashers: Part One

The Yogurt Shop Murders and Serial Killer Robert Eugene Brashers: First Person: Deborah Brashers: Part One

Robert Eugene Brashers was a serial killer. He murdered women and children.But at home, he was a father his daughter and stepchildren admired.Today, we will hear from Brashers's biological daughter, Deborah. In this episode, she will recall growing up with Brashers for a father, a few red flags, as well as his traumatic suicide. Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

25 Marras 56min

The Cheat Sheet: Coaches and Colleges

The Cheat Sheet: Coaches and Colleges

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Illinois, Texas, California, and Ohio.First Alert 4’s report on the discovery of Kylie Toberman’s body: https://www.firstalert4.com/2025/11/15/police-body-found-vandalia-illinois-related-missing-persons-case/KSDK’s report on the circumstances of Kylie Toberman’s life and death and her connection to accused killer Arnold B. Rivera: https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/mother-slain-vandalia-jr-high-student-she-didnt-deserve-this/63-22e7c21c-a015-49e6-a0c4-fab91e846714A press release from the Illinois State Police on Kylie Toberman’s murder and the arrest of Arnold B. Rivera: https://illinois-state-police.prezly.com/s/17f6c48f-c8ed-462b-b01c-7fb1e9e79b9d?previewNBC Chicago’s report on Kylie Toberman’s murder and the arrest of Arnold B. Rivera: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/details-emerge-in-14-year-old-illinois-girls-murder-as-police-investigate-social-media-post/3852390/NBC News’s coverage of the murder of former Laney College football coach John Beam and the arrest of Cedric Irving Jr.: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-murder-last-chance-u-coach-allegedly-confessed-according-c-rcna244488The San Francisco Chronicle’s coverage of the murder of former Laney College football coach John Beam and the arrest of Cedric Irving Jr.: https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/john-beam-shooting-suspect-witchcraft-21186151.phpThe San Francisco Standard’s coverage of the murder of former Laney College football coach John Beam and the arrest of Cedric Irving Jr.: https://sfstandard.com/2025/11/14/john-beam-shooting-laney-college-security/The Arlington Police Department’s press release on the arrest of Janie Perkins for the cold case murder of Cynthia Gonzalez and the work of University of Texas at Arlington criminology students: https://www.arlingtontx.gov/News-Articles/2025/Arlington-PD-Makes-Arrest-in-1991-Cold-Case-in-Partnership-with-UTANBC News’s article on the arrest of Janie Perkins for the cold case murder of Cynthia Gonzalez and the work of University of Texas at Arlington criminology students: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/college-students-help-police-make-arrest-1991-cold-case-murder-investi-rcna244562The Independent’s article on the arrest of Janie Perkins for the cold case murder of Cynthia Gonzalez and the work of University of Texas at Arlington criminology students: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/cynthia-gonzalez-janie-perkins-cold-case-murder-b2867135.htmlCleveland.com’s article on efforts by Ohio criminal law professors to reduce the sentence of Leander Bissell in the murder of firefighter Johnny Tetrick: https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2025/11/law-profs-urge-ohio-supreme-court-to-uphold-conviction-ruling-in-cleveland-firefighters-death.htmlThe Supreme Court of Ohio’s recent order based on efforts by Ohio criminal law professors to reduce the sentence of Leander Bissell in the murder of firefighter Johnny Tetrick: https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/rod/docs/pdf/8/2024/2024-Ohio-5317.pdfFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.It’s cold. 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21 Marras 51min

The Future of Crime Solving: A Conversation with Former Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Special Agent in Charge Eric Harden on the Lingering Harm of Unsolved Violent Crime

The Future of Crime Solving: A Conversation with Former Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives Special Agent in Charge Eric Harden on the Lingering Harm of Unsolved Violent Crime

The Future of Crime Solving is our new series where we talk to law enforcement officials who are working to introduce eSleuth AI to police departments around the country. As part of this inaugural episode in the series, we interviewed former ATF official Eric Harden about his experience in law enforcement and his views on gang violence.If you're a law enforcement official curious about eSleuth AI, email Scot at sthomasson@esleuth.ai or check out their website at: https://www.esleuth.ai/Order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.If you had the power to stop a crime before it happened, wouldn’t you do it? What if that crime was done against yourself or your own family. Well, with Simplisafe’s home security system, you can stop break-ins and burglaries before they happen.The big problem with traditional home security systems is that they react after an intruder is already breaking in or inside. At that point, it’s far too late. Your peace of mind is gone the moment someone intrudes on your space.Simplisafe is different, thanks to their advanced home security technology. AI-powered cameras can lock onto potential threats outside. If a prospective intruder approaches, live agents step in to confront the person via a camera. Now the potential bad guys know someone’s watching and prepared to dispatch police in an instant. They can also start blaring sirens and flashing lights.We have relied on Simplisafe to keep our home safe for years. We trust them with our safety. It’s great knowing someone is looking out for you and your family. It does wonders for our peace of mind, especially since we’ve gotten threats in the past over our reporting. Simplisafe really does have your back. No hidden fees. No long term contracts. No punishment for canceling at any time. Try it out today, you even get a 60 day money back guarantee. This month only, take 50% off any new system. This is one of the best prices you will ever see for SimpliSafe—don’t miss it. Hit SIMPLISAFE dot com slash MSHEET—again, that’s SIMPLISAFE dot com slash MSHEET and lock in your discount. There’s No Safe Like SimpliSafe. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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