Moving Forward - An Update on NextGen Pay and HR for the Government of Canada - Episode 134

In this candid and compelling episode, Alex Benay and Karen Figuerola share an unfiltered look at the cultural and systemic issues behind Canada's HR and pay challenges—and the bold transformation underway to fix them. From the $7 billion Phoenix failure to the rollout of Dayforce, Alex explains why fixing the tech alone isn't enough. True change, he argues, starts with shifting behaviours, embracing radical transparency, and putting people at the centre of every decision.

With real talk on AI, automation, executive accountability, and the power of user-centred design, this episode is both a wake-up call and a roadmap for leading transformation in the public sector. If you care about meaningful change, leadership that's unafraid to fail, and building systems that simply work, you won't want to miss it.

Alex Benay, Associate Deputy Minister, (Enterprise Pay Coordination), Public Services and Procurement, Karen Figuerola, Partner, People Consulting, EY.

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