Cleaning Up: Leadership in an Age of Climate Change11 Kesä 2025

⁠Hydrogen Subsidies, Clean Power & Fixing Spain's Blackouts | Ep212: EU Commissioner Dan Jørgensen

What will it take to finally wean Europe off Russian gas? Can renewables help with grid stability? And is the EU making a mistake subsidising hydrogen?

This week on Cleaning Up, Michael Liebreich sits down with EU Energy and Housing Commissioner Dan Jørgensen to dissect the continent's energy transformation.

In this wide ranging interview recorded at the Berlaymont building in Brussels — the home of the European Commission — Liebreich and Jørgensen delve into critical topics including reducing dependency on Russian energy, the economics of renewable technologies, the role of nuclear power, and the contentious economics of green hydrogen.

Jørgensen defends the EU's ambitious climate goals while addressing concerns about cost, competitiveness, and political pushback against the green transition.

Leadership Circle:

Cleaning Up is supported by the Leadership Circle, and its founding members: Actis, Alcazar Energy, Davidson Kempner, EcoPragma Capital, EDP of Portugal, Eurelectric, the Gilardini Foundation, KKR, National Grid, Octopus Energy, Quadrature Climate Foundation, SDCL and Wärtsilä. For more information on the Leadership Circle, please visit https://www.cleaningup.live.

Discover more:

Sierra Leone special: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-5QjSfy2SM
Decarbonizing the last few percent: https://mliebreich.substack.com/p/decarbonizing-the-last-few-percent
Lessons from Spain: https://mliebreich.substack.com/p/lessons-from-spain
EU Hydrogen Strategy: https://energy.ec.europa.eu/topics/eus-energy-system/hydrogen_en

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Electrifying Almost Everything for Net-Zero - Ep34: Kristian Ruby

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Happy International Women’s Day!

Today is International Women’s Day. We want to take the time to highlight some of the incredible women who are leading the world’s pivot to net-zero. From politics to finance and diplomacy, these wome...

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Leading the way from Westminster to Paris - Ep33: Rt Hon Amber Rudd

Further reading:Climate change: COP26 head must be made full-time role to tackle global emergency, Amber Rudd says (December, 2020)https://news.sky.com/story/climate-change-cop26-head-must-be-made-ful...

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Building the Billion-Customer Energy Company - Ep32: Greg Jackson

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Climate Change? We'll be in Floods - Ep31: Emma Howard Boyd

Further reading:Government biohttps://www.gov.uk/government/people/emma-howard-boydEnvironment Agency websitehttps://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/environment-agencyEncouraging locally-led clima...

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