220. Theory of Enchantment | Chloé Valdary

220. Theory of Enchantment | Chloé Valdary

As an alternative for those who would rather listen ad-free, sign up for a premium subscription to receive the following: *All JBP Podcast episodes ad-free *Monthly Ask-Me-Anything episodes (and the ability to ask questions) *Presale access to events *Premium, detailed show notes for future episodes Sign up here: https://jordanbpeterson.supercast.com This episode was recorded on September 15th, 2021. Chloé Valdary and I discuss The Theory of Enchantment, her personal brand of compassionate anti-racism. Chloé has been featured in Psychology Today and the NY Times. Her work with Theory of Enchantment attempts to bring compassion to diversity training and fight bigotry with love. We covered a range of topics surrounding her practice, structural racism in the US, the civil rights movement, the best way to criticize one another, the power of Truth, white fragility, and what one could expect from her (rather unique) diversity seminars. Find more from Chloé @cvaldary https://twitter.com/cvaldary & check out her program at https://theoryofenchantment.com -- Get started with a 10% discount at magbreakthrough.com/jbp when using promo code "jbp10." If it's not for you, there's a one-year money-back guarantee. _______________ Timestamps _______________ [00:00] Intro [00:30] Chloé’s background [01:52] Why did Chloé want to talk? [02:53] Reading Dr. Peterson’s Maps of Meaning in a lockdown [03:38] What is the goal or focus behind Valdary's work? [04:05] “Supremacist thinking occurs when a human being experiences... some type of deep insecurity within themselves" - Chloé Valdary [05:08] Jordan’s list of questions through Chloé's looking glass [05:49] Sources of racism [12:36] “There are problems money doesn't solve. It would be lovely if [that] produced full security in every aspect, but it doesn't" - Jordan Peterson [12:57] Working with corporations on DEIS [16:55] Debating the validity of lived experience [17:11] “Are you an unquestionable authority on the nature of your lived experience? The answer is yes and no" - JP [21:23] “[Race] certainly isn’t the best way to conceptualize diversity” - JP [23:46] Examining the pathos behind two great leaders in the civil rights movement: Dr. Martin Luther King & Malcolm X [27:34] Chloé’s experience as a teacher [33:06] Learning to appreciate complexity in both the individual and the diverse [36:17] “Raising everyone’s material standards… is ultimately insufficient" - JP [36:34] Seeing people as political abstractions [38:14] Alienation, diversity training, and rural America [44:28] “There are arbitrary pre-conditions to our existence that we didn't choose to deal with" - JP [48:25] How to uplift (never destructive) criticism [51:07] Variance in coping mechanisms [54:44] Everyone is starving for (words of) encouragement [57:07] Rooting everything in love and compassion. Where do those guidelines come from? [01:03:45] Wonder Woman, Power, & Truth [01:04:52] The human capacity to destroy the planet [01:09:29] I'm convinced that there is nothing more powerful than truth in the word." - JP [01:17:31] “Part of the problem in the West is this false understanding of meaning as derived from propositions when it is, in fact, participatory ways of knowing that give rise to propositions in the first place" - Chloé Valdary [01:18:48] The meaning of the word ‘enchantment’ [01:26:23] “The objective of ToE is to bring people back to this relational way of being and to be in balance with their own complexity" - Chloé Valdary [01:26:59] What Chloé does at a ToE seminar [01:32:16] “People have access to the truth… [regardless of] socioeconomic standing" - JP Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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543. “You’re Not Gaining Weight Because You’re Lazy” | Dr. Mehmet Oz

543. “You’re Not Gaining Weight Because You’re Lazy” | Dr. Mehmet Oz

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down for a candid discussion with Dr. Mehmet Oz, discussing the toxified food environment within the United States—pointing directly to its causes—and exploring not just possible, but immediate routes for change. These include better governmental oversight, but also the implementation of new technologies such as AI.   Dr. Mehmet Oz, newly appointed by President Donald Trump as the 17th Administrator of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), is a cardiothoracic surgeon, professor emeritus at Columbia University, and former leader of the heart institute at New York Presbyterian Medical Center, known for innovations like the Mitraclip and over 400 publications in heart surgery, health policy, and complementary medicine. He gained national fame through The Dr. Oz Show, winning nine Daytime Emmys and authoring several New York Times bestsellers, before becoming the 2022 Republican nominee for U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania. A Harvard and UPenn MD/MBA graduate, Oz also co-founded the influential health platform Sharecare and the nationwide teen wellness initiative Healthcorps. His public influence has been recognized by Time, Forbes, and Esquire, making him a high-profile figure at the intersection of medicine, media, and policy.   This episode was filmed on November 13th, 2024     | Links |   For Dr. Mehmet Oz:   On X https://x.com/droz?lang=en   On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/dr_oz/?hl=en   Dr. Mehmet Oz shares his vision for CMS https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/dr-mehmet-oz-shares-vision-cms       Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

1 Touko 20251h 51min

542. Charlie Kirk’s Personal Story

542. Charlie Kirk’s Personal Story

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson engages in conversation with Charlie Kirk—author, speaker, and founder and CEO of Turning Point USA. They delve into Kirk’s emergence as a leading voice in the Conservative movement, his choice to bypass traditional higher education, and the early indicators of ideological bias in academia. The discussion also addresses how the university system has not only tilted toward the hyper-feminine but has transformed into a large-scale scam. Additionally, they examine academia’s departure from timeless questions of good and evil, faith, and foundational philosophy, to a focus on Marxist economics and cultural capture.   Charlie Kirk is the Founder and CEO of Turning Point USA, a nonprofit organization dedicated to rallying, organizing, and empowering students to advocate for principles of freedom, free markets, and limited government.   With a presence on more than 3,500 high school and college campuses in all 50 states, and supported by over 350 full-time staff members, Turning Point USA stands as the nation’s largest and fastest-growing conservative youth activist organization. In addition to Turning Point USA’s on-campus presence, it also operates a massive online outreach initiative that garners billions of video views annually and reaches millions of Americans every day with conservative, pro-America content. In addition to his role at Turning Point USA, Charlie also serves as the CEO and founder of Turning Point Action, a related entity operating under a 501(c)(4) status. Turning Point Action’s mission is to embolden the conservative base through grassroots activism and to provide voters with the necessary resources to elect true conservative leaders. Turning Point Action has earned recognition as one of the leading grassroots forces in the country today.   This episode was filmed on March, 19th, 2025.     | Links |   For Charlie Kirk:   On X https://x.com/charliekirk11/   On YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfaIu2jO-fppCQV_lchCRIQ   Turning Point USA website https://www.tpusa.com/   Read “Right Wing Revolution” https://45books.com/products/right-wing-revolution-pre-order  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

28 Huhti 20251h 41min

541. Why We Stopped Progressing | Peter Thiel

541. Why We Stopped Progressing | Peter Thiel

Billionaire investor and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel sits down with Jordan Peterson for a powerful conversation about why real progress has stalled. Thiel argues that the last truly groundbreaking achievement may have been landing on the moon—and since then, we've slowed down. He explains how fear, red tape, and over-specialization have made us more cautious and less ambitious.   They dig into how society has shifted away from building and inventing, toward digital distractions and endless talk. They also explore what’s been lost as faith and meaning have disappeared from public life. From broken universities to status-driven culture wars, this is a deep and thought-provoking look at the challenges facing the West—and what we might do to turn things around.   Peter Thiel is a German-born entrepreneur, venture capitalist, activist, and billionaire who emigrated to the U.S. as a child, eventually settling in California after years of moving between countries. A Stanford Law graduate, he began his career as a clerk and derivatives trader before founding Thiel Capital with $1 million from friends and family. Despite early setbacks, he co-founded Confinity, which became PayPal, launching a streak of ventures including Palantir, Clarium Capital, and early investment in Facebook. Thiel is an openly gay supporter of the Republican party, advocating for both equal rights and certain conservative policies, making his political stance admirably nuanced.   This episode was filmed on March 31st, 2025.     | Links |   For Peter Thiel:   X https://x.com/peterthiel?lang=en   Read “Zero to One: Notes on Startups, or How to Build the Future” https://a.co/d/fAfeXm8  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

24 Huhti 20251h 21min

540. Former NFL Player on Masculinity | Tim Tebow

540. Former NFL Player on Masculinity | Tim Tebow

In this episode, Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with athlete, philanthropist, and speaker Tim Tebow to discuss the connection between competitive drive, personal virtue, and Christian compassion. Tebow recounts the life-changing encounter that inspired his foundation — a moment in a remote Filipino village, where he met a disabled boy hidden away from the world. From that day forward, his focus shifted from MVP titles to serving the most vulnerable.   Together, they explore the demonization of masculinity, the crisis facing young men today, and how athletic excellence, when rooted in higher purpose, can become a force for good. This is a conversation about strength, faith, responsibility, and redemption — and what it truly means to win at life.   Timothy Richard Tebow, born August 14, 1987, in Makati, the Philippines to missionary parents Bob and Pam Tebow, is an American professional baseball player, former professional football player, 3x NY Times best-selling author, international speaker, and ESPN sports broadcaster. He played college football for the University of Florida, and in 2007 became the first player to win the Heisman Trophy as a sophomore. Tim is also a 2x BCS National Champion. In the NFL, Tim played for the Denver Broncos, the New York Jets, the New England Patriots and the Philadelphia Eagles. He is currently playing baseball as an outfielder and designated hitter with the New York Mets MLB team.   This episode was filmed on March 23rd, 2025.     | Links |   For Tim Tebow:   On X https://x.com/timtebow?lang=en   On Instagram https://www.instagram.com/timtebow/?hl=en   Website https://timtebow.com/   The Tim Tebow Foundation http://timtebowfoundation.org/  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

21 Huhti 20251h 25min

539. The Best Argument Against Veganism | Joel Salatin

539. The Best Argument Against Veganism | Joel Salatin

Regenerative farming pioneer Joel Salatin joins Dr. Jordan B. Peterson to challenge the myth that cows are bad for the planet. They explore how pasture-based farming restores ecosystems, the dangers of industrial agriculture, and why storytelling matters in the fight for the future of food.   Joel Salatin, dubbed the "Lunatic Farmer," is a Christian libertarian environmentalist and one of the most outspoken voices in regenerative agriculture. Co-owner of Polyface Farm in Virginia, he supplies thousands with pasture-raised meats and teaches sustainable farming worldwide. With 16 books, such as “The Omnivore’s Dilemma," countless columns, and a wildly engaging speaking style, Salatin blends mischief, grit, and deep cultural insight to challenge how we think about food, freedom, and stewardship of the land.   This episode was filmed on March, 10th, 2025.     | Links |   For Joel Salatin:   On X https://x.com/joelsalatin?lang=en   Polyface Farms website https://polyfacefarms.com/   Read “Homestead Tsunami: Good for Country, Critters, and Kids” https://a.co/d/5gg3vAV   Read “You Can Farm: The Entrepreneur's Guide to Start & Succeed in a Farming Enterprise” https://a.co/d/fX8wSWF  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

17 Huhti 20251h 26min

538.  South Africa: What the West Needs to Learn | Dr. Ernst Roets

538. South Africa: What the West Needs to Learn | Dr. Ernst Roets

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with South African filmmaker, author, and activist Dr. Ernst Roets. They discuss the genetic and cultural hyper-diversity of Africa, the early settlement patterns of South Africa, the origin story of the Boers, how forgotten history breeds rhyming conflicts in the present, and the complex needle that must be threaded for shared prosperity.   Dr. Ernst Roets is an Afrikaner activist, author and filmmaker from South Africa. He serves as Executive Director of the newly established Pioneer Initiative, which seeks to promote a more sustainable political dispensation for South Africa, based on the principles of decentralization and self-governance. Dr Roets is the leading expert on the topic of farm murders in South Africa. His book, Kill the Boer: Government Complicity in South Africa's Brutal Farm Murders is an international bestseller on Amazon. He is also the producer of several documentary films. He regularly appears in the media - both in South Africa and the international media - about issues relating to South Africa and he regularly speaks at international conferences, including CPAC and NatCon. He is a leading advocate for the protection of free speech and property rights in South Africa, and for farm murders to be regarded as a priority crime.   This episode was filmed on March, 14th, 2025.     | Links |   For Dr. Ernst Roets:   On X https://x.com/ernstroets?lang=en   On YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@ErnstRoets   Read “Kill the Boer: Government Complicity in South Africa's Brutal Farm Murders” https://a.co/d/cMWyuMH  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

14 Huhti 20251h 40min

537. Reaction to Imminent Liberal Victory in Canada

537. Reaction to Imminent Liberal Victory in Canada

Dr. Jordan B. Peterson analyzes Canada’s current and possibly next prime minister, Mark Carney. From his résumé to his book “Values,” Dr. Peterson explores the motivations, contradictions, and unsettling strengths of the man now calling for a snap election. Carney is seeking a mandate from the Canadian people—but is he the right man for the job?    This episode was filmed on March 21st, 2025. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

10 Huhti 20251h 25min

536. Ancient Stories That Bridge The Heavens & The Earth | Jacob Howland

536. Ancient Stories That Bridge The Heavens & The Earth | Jacob Howland

Jordan Peterson sits down with author, professor, and Dean of Intellectual Foundations at the University of Austin, Jacob Howland. They discuss man’s finitude and his grasping for the infinite, how orientation can provide limitless abundance or a bottomless fall, where Socrates and the Talmud overlap, and why God offers Abraham adventure as the covenant.   Jacob Howland is the Senior Vice President for Academic Affairs, and Dean of Intellectual Foundations at the University of Austin. Previously he was McFarlin Professor of Philosophy Emeritus at the University of Tulsa, where he taught from 1988 to 2020.   Howland has published five books and roughly sixty scholarly articles and review essays on the thought of Plato, Aristotle, Xenophon, Kierkegaard, the Talmud, the Holocaust, ideological tyranny, and other subjects  A past winner of the University of Tulsa Outstanding Teacher Award and the College of Arts and Sciences Excellence in Teaching Award, he has received grants from the National Endowment for the Humanities, The Littauer Foundation, the Earhart Foundation, and the Koch Foundation, and has lectured in Israel, France, England, Romania, Brazil, Denmark, Norway, and at universities around the United States.  His most recent book is Glaucon’s Fate: History, Myth, and Character in Plato’s Republic, Paul Dry Books, 2018.   This episode was filmed on March 15th, 2025.     | Links |   For Jacob Howland:   Read Howland’s most recent publication “Glaucon's Fate: History, Myth, and Character in Plato's Republic” https://a.co/d/7EGH57y   Howland’s philosophy website and blog https://www.jacobhowland.com/?_sm_nck=1  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

7 Huhti 20251h 40min

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