Mike Pence: US will soon get deserving government

Mike Pence: US will soon get deserving government

‘I'm very confident that someday soon we're going to have government as good as our people again’

Paddy O’Connell speaks to former US Vice President Mike Pence about President Trump’s second term in office. Pence, whose political career began a quarter of a century ago, first rose to international prominence when he was selected by Donald Trump to be his running mate for the 2016 US Presidential election.

When the insurgent billionaire shocked the world by defeating Hillary Clinton, Pence found himself at the centre of an administration beset by multiple controversies from the very beginning, including having to navigate impeachment proceedings against his boss.

The pair, however, weren’t always aligned in their worldviews, and the relationship became increasingly frayed behind closed doors. Formal ties were severed when Pence resisted efforts by Trump to overturn his election defeat to Joe Biden in 2020.

After leaving the post of Vice-President, Pence remained active in politics in the years that followed, eventually running for the Republican nomination for the 2024 Presidential election. This was, of course, won by his old boss - but Pence refused to endorse him the second time around.

Despite the turbulent four years in office, he remains proud of what he and Trump achieved in that time. However, he can now speak more freely about his former boss, who is back in the White House for a second term.

His experience at the very top of American politics also gives him unique insight into events both at home and abroad. In this wide-ranging interview, he discusses many pressing issues including vaccine scepticism, global tariffs and the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Thank you to the Newsnight team for their help in making this programme. The Interview brings you conversations with people shaping our world, from all over the world. The best interviews from the BBC. You can listen on the BBC World Service, Mondays and Wednesdays at 0700 GMT. Or you can listen to The Interview as a podcast, out twice a week on BBC Sounds or wherever you get your podcasts.

Presenter: Paddy O’Connell Producers: Ben Cooper, Samuel Kerr, Pascale Puthod and Liz Rawlings Editor: Justine Lang

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(Image: Mike Pence. Credit: John Lamparski/Getty Images)

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Wadah Khanfar - Former Director General, Al Jazeera

Wadah Khanfar - Former Director General, Al Jazeera

The satellite TV station Al Jazeera, is credited with giving ordinary Arabs a platform from which to challenge their governments. And day by day it's been covering the dramatic events of the Arab Spring using the latest slick technology on both its Arabic and English channels.But is it selective in who it criticises?Zeinab Badawi speaks to Wadah Khanfar. He was the boss of Al Jazeera for nearly ten years. Was the station's coverage biased on his watch? And why did he leave Al Jazeera in the midst of the biggest news events in the Arab World for decades?(Image: Wadah Khanfar. Credit: Getty Images)

23 Tammi 201223min

Steve McQueen

Steve McQueen

The British artist and film-maker Steve McQueen - whose new film Shame is about sex addiction - says the condition is very real and is destroying people's lives.He tells HARDtalk's Zeinab Badawi that both men and women can have an unhealthy relationship with sex in the same way they can with food where the craving for it becomes a compulsion making everything else in life become secondary.

20 Tammi 201223min

Bassma Kodmani

Bassma Kodmani

Ten months after the wave of Arab unrest reached Syria, President Assad is still in power.Bloody protests continue and there are fears that the country could be sliding into civil war.But there is little appetite from foreign powers for military intervention.Sarah Montague speaks to Bassma Kodmani, a leading figure in the exiled Syrian opposition and asks her why foreign intervention in Syria should be an option.(Picture shows Bassma Kodmani. Credit: BBC)

18 Tammi 201223min

Zoltan Kovacs - Hungarian Minister of State for Government Communication

Zoltan Kovacs - Hungarian Minister of State for Government Communication

Hungary's centre-right government has galvanized critics at home and abroad with its new controversial constitution. There have been mass protests in the country, opposition politicians have chained themselves to gates outside public buildings, and the prime minister, Viktor Orban, has been dubbed Viktator.The EU, IMF and the US have rebuked the Hungarian government over its changes to election rules, the central bank and the judiciary, warning they will erode democracy and entrench one-party rule.Zeinab Badawi speaks to Hungary's Government Communication Minister, Zoltán Kovács. His government says the reforms are necessary to modernise the Hungarian state. But with the country badly in need of a $20bn international bailout - is it about to perform a U-turn and back down?

16 Tammi 201223min

Cheng Siwei - Former Vice Chairman, Standing Committee, NPC, China

Cheng Siwei - Former Vice Chairman, Standing Committee, NPC, China

This year - 2012 - is the Chinese Year of the Dragon and Chinese workers certainly seem to have fire in their belly.There's growing discontent amongst the workforce whose labour fuelled the country's economic miracle. They're angry that export-led growth has largely passed them by - whilst filling state coffers and enriching some beyond their wildest dreams. Zeinab Badawi speaks to Cheng Siwei - one of China's most influential economists. How much of a threat is economic uncertainty and social unrest to China's prosperity and stability?

13 Tammi 201223min

Olli Rehn - European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs

Olli Rehn - European Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs

Sarah Montague is in Brussels to talk to the man with the unenviable job of finding a way out of Europe's financial crisis. He is Olli Rehn, Europe's Commissioner for Economic and Monetary Affairs. It's nearly two years since the Greek crisis first blew up; and in that time seven heads of Eurozone governments have been replaced; there have been at least 15 European summits; and any number of plans; and yet, Greece is still on the verge of defaulting and the German Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned this coming year will "undoubtedly" be harder than the last. What has been achieved and are we any closer to resolving the crisis?(Image: European Union Economic and Monetary Affairs Commissioner Olli Rehn. Credit: Reuters)

11 Tammi 201223min

Dr Devi Shetty - Indian heart surgeon

Dr Devi Shetty - Indian heart surgeon

Stephen Sackur speaks to a brilliant heart surgeon - veteran of more than 30,000 operations - but his growing international reputation rests less on his medical skill, more on his business brain. He wants to do for major surgery what Henry Ford did for the motor car - make it affordable for the masses, by means of mass production. He's building what he calls medical cities across India and beyond - but can this vision of delivering a public good for private profit really change healthcare around the world?

9 Tammi 201223min

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