Michael Levin and Anil Seth: Your Brain Is Not a Computer

Michael Levin and Anil Seth: Your Brain Is Not a Computer

Anil Seth and Michael Levin debate whether brains are computers, how consciousness relates to substrate, and if algorithms can ever capture life and mind. Levin argues machines can access a platonic space of agency via embodied interfaces, xenobots, and compositional agents, while Seth challenges the software-hardware split using information theory, Granger causality, and psychophysics. Together they probe islands of awareness, degeneracy, bubble-sort side quests, LLM surprises, alignment, and how to ask better scientific questions.- 00:00 - Anil Seth & Michael Levin: Islands of Consciousness & Xenobots- 08:24 - Substrate Dependence: Why Biology Isn't Just 'Wetware'- 13:13 - Beyond Algorithms: Do Machines Tap Into a 'Platonic Space'?- 21:46 - The Ghost in the Algorithm: Emergent Agency in Bubble Sort- 29:26 - Degeneracy: The Biological Principle AI is Missing- 36:34 - The Multiplicity of Agency: Are Your Cells Conscious?- 43:24 - Unconscious Processing or Inaccessible Consciousness? The Split-Brain Problem- 49:32 - The Ultimate Experiment to Decode Consciousness- 57:31 - A Counter-Intuitive Discovery: Consciousness is Less Emergent- 1:03:39 - Psychedelics, LLMs, and the Frontiers of SurpriseSPONSORS:- HelloFresh: Get 10 Free Meals + a Free Item for Life. One per box with active subscription; free meals applied as discount on first box; new subscribers only; varies by plan. http://HelloFresh.com/THEORIESOFEVERYTHING10FM- Claude: 50% off Claude Pro, including Claude Code. http://claude.ai/theoriesofeverythingRESOURCES:- Michael Levin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s- Anil Seth [TOE]: https://youtu.be/_hUEqXhDbVs- Geoffrey Hinton [TOE]: https://youtu.be/b_DUft-BdIE- Living Things Are Not Machines [Article]: https://www.noemamag.com/living-things-are-not-machines-also-they-totally-are/- Classical Sorting Algorithms [Paper]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2401.05375- Michael Levin and Anna Ciaunica [TOE]: https://youtu.be/2aLhkm6QUgA- Being You: A New Science of Consciousness [Book]: https://www.amazon.com/Being-You-New-Science-Consciousness/dp/1524742872/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0- The Consciousness Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk- Iain McGilchrist [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Q9sBKCd2HD0- Matt Segall [TOE]: https://youtu.be/DeTm4fSXpbM- Andres Gomez-Emilsson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/gi08eVU_-f8- MIT's Augmentation Summit: https://augmentationlab.org/summit- Granger Causality Analysis [Paper]: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25716830/- Dynamical Independence [Paper]: https://journals.aps.org/pre/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevE.99.022143 Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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David Wallace: Why Many Worlds Is the Only Consistent Interpretation

David Wallace: Why Many Worlds Is the Only Consistent Interpretation

Philosopher of physics David Wallace unpacks the Everett (Many‑Worlds) interpretation, tackling common misconceptions, probability, emergence and personal identity across multiple worlds. He also exam...

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Yang-Hui He: How AI Is Reshaping Pure Mathematics Right Now

Yang-Hui He: How AI Is Reshaping Pure Mathematics Right Now

Yang-Hui He explores how AI is reshaping pure mathematics, from the murmuration conjecture to Riemann Hypothesis. We examine the changing research landscape, the role of intuition, and what a future w...

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Curt Jaimungal: Explain Like I'm Five? Challenge Accepted.

Curt Jaimungal: Explain Like I'm Five? Challenge Accepted.

We examine the common claim that you must be able to explain a concept to a five‑year‑old to truly understand it, arguing that the idea can be misleading and even harmful. The episode explores why som...

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David Kaiser: MIT Physicist on Black Holes Older Than the Universe

David Kaiser: MIT Physicist on Black Holes Older Than the Universe

MIT physicist and historian David Kaiser examines primordial black holes, exploring how they might explain dark matter and connect to cosmic inflation. He discusses their potential impact on our under...

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Curt Jaimungal: Demystifying Godel's Theorem

Curt Jaimungal: Demystifying Godel's Theorem

Gödel’s incompleteness theorem is often misrepresented in popular science. In this episode we cut through the hype, correcting misconceptions from figures like Neil deGrasse Tyson, Veritasium, Michio ...

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Ted Jacobson: The Proof That Gravity Equals Entropy

Ted Jacobson: The Proof That Gravity Equals Entropy

Ted Jacobson explains how Einstein's equations emerge from thermodynamic principles, proving gravity is entropic. The discussion explores Rindler horizons, quantum vacuum states, and holographic duali...

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Julian Barbour: What Happens When Physics Abandons Time Entirely

Julian Barbour: What Happens When Physics Abandons Time Entirely

Julian Barbour argues that time is an illusion and quantum mechanics should be replaced by relational ratios. He explores how entropy, consciousness, and the structure of the universe can be understoo...

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Curt Jaimungal: The Geometric Unity Iceberg

Curt Jaimungal: The Geometric Unity Iceberg

Curt Jaimungal unpacks Eric Weinstein's Geometric Unity in a three-hour mathematical deep dive. The episode serves as an extensive “iceberg” guide, moving from foundational concepts to advanced theory...

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