147. Is Thorin Gold-Sick or Just Sick of the Elves – The Hobbit #32

147. Is Thorin Gold-Sick or Just Sick of the Elves – The Hobbit #32

The talking birds bring news of the dragon’s demise to the dwarves–only to find a host of elves and men are coming to the mountain’s gate. Bard makes his claim for a portion of the treasure, but Thorin finds his reasons lacking–or is it just his lust for the treasure overtaking him?

This episode, we look at:

  • More (very old) talking birds
  • Thorin’s “dragon sickness” — or is it his dwarven heart?
  • Bard’s three reasons for having a claim to the treasure
  • Who’s at fault for starting the battle?df
  • What effect does the elves’ presence have on Thorin’s response?

In our extended episode (available for our members) we talk about:

  • Are we warming up to how Peter Jackson portrayed Thorin’s dragon sickness? Well….
  • How Thorin’s change in the films lessens his deathbed turn in the books.
  • The most egregious change in The Hobbit films is…

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83. Meeting Gandalf in Bree and a Glimpse of Gildor : Film Changes #25 and #26

83. Meeting Gandalf in Bree and a Glimpse of Gildor : Film Changes #25 and #26

We’re going over 2 more changes to The Fellowship of the Ring this week! Gandalf tells Frodo to meet him at the Prancing Pony… which leads to a full 6 CHAPTERS cut from the films! Frodo and Sam never get to spend any time with Gildor in the films–and only get a fleeting glimpse of “Wood Elves” 🤮 In our extended episode (available for our members — $4/mo and free for the first month) we talk more about these changes, in addition to: Would the “spotted toad” threat have been a bad movie moment if Jackson added it? If we could keep one–and ONLY one–of the myriad things Jackson left out between Hobbiton and Bree, what would it be? 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

9 Tammi 202444min

82. Bilbo’s Party Changes and 17 Years Lost : Film Changes #23 and #24

82. Bilbo’s Party Changes and 17 Years Lost : Film Changes #23 and #24

We’re going over 2 more changes to The Fellowship of the Ring this week! Is Bilbo’s party true to how Tolkien wrote it? If it isn’t.. did Jackson change it for the better? Peter Jackson dropped nearly all 17 years from the time of Bilbo’s party to the start of Frodo’s journey. Isn’t that a lot to change? Or maybe–just maybe–this is actually true to the book? In our extended episode (available for our members — https://theonering.com/members) we talk more about these changes, and also: If those 17 years would’ve been part of the film, what would have taken place, and how would it have been scripted? 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

28 Joulu 20230s

81. Tolkien Created an Entire North Pole Mythology!

81. Tolkien Created an Entire North Pole Mythology!

Starting in 1920, JRR Tolkien wrote letters from Father Christmas to his children–and continued doing that for 24 more years! Through those letters, he created an entire mythology, including characters (like the North Polar Bear, Ilbereth his elf helper, bear cubs, goblins), stories, and even battles! Thankfully, all those letters were kept and can now be read by us in the “Letters from Father Christmas” book! This year, we put together a reading of Tolkien’s 1926 letter–by Father Christmas himself! More about Tolkien’s Letters from Father Christmas Listen to the letter again on YouTube! In our extended episode (available for our members) I talk a bit more about the letters he wrote, and read his final (and somewhat gut-wrenching) letter to his daughter Priscilla. 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Get Letters from Father Christmas Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat More about Letters from Father Christmas 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

19 Joulu 202310min

80. Gandalf’s a Headbanger and Frodo’s Unexpected Introduction

80. Gandalf’s a Headbanger and Frodo’s Unexpected Introduction

We’re going over 2 more changes to The Fellowship of the Ring this week! The theatrical edition of The Fellowship of the Ring started with Frodo and Gandalf’s relationship, even though the book didn’t establish any of that until AFTER Bilbo’s party. Was this good for the film? When Gandalf enters Bag End, it’s as though he’s never been there before–knocking his head on the chandelier and banging it into the doorjamb.  Is this actually in Gandalf’s character? In our extended episode (available for our members — https://theonering.com/members) we talk more about the these changes, including: Should Peter Jackson have added more Hobbiton characters earlier in the film? Did we miss out by not having Dwarves with carts delivering party goods? How missing out on making Bilbo’s party MASSIVE would have made for better comedy. 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

12 Joulu 202325min

79. Tolkien’s Christmas poem was lost for 80 years!

79. Tolkien’s Christmas poem was lost for 80 years!

In 1936, Tolkien wrote a poem published in an obscure school magazine–and it was only found again 10 years ago! Michael and Jonathan look at how the poem was found, what the poem means, and what makes it unique in the landscape of Tolkien’s creativity. Read the Poem Listen to the poem Noel again on YouTube! In our extended episode (available for our members) we debate whether the Lord of the Rings can be considered a Christmas movie (there’s a lot of leeway if Die Hard is a Christmas movie, right?!). 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links 8 Things The Rings Of Power Does Better Than Peter Jackson’s Lord Of The Rings Movies Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

5 Joulu 20230s

78. Bilbo’s Prologue and The Rings of Power is NOT fixing The Lord of the Rings Films

78. Bilbo’s Prologue and The Rings of Power is NOT fixing The Lord of the Rings Films

Michael and Jonathan found out someone’s been copying our look at the changes PJ made to the books–and then applying that to The Rings of Power?! We happily point out their failure (or was it just an AI article?!)… This week we also take a look at Bilbo’s prologue in the extended edition–particularly in how it takes cues from Tolkien’s prologue to The Lord of the Rings. We might just surprise you with our discussion! In our extended episode (available for our members — https://theonering.com/members) we talk more about the article that copied our recent videos about the film changes, including: How they get elven diversity all wrong How seeing yourself as skin-color in Middle-earth never matters How fitting more stories into The Rings of Power was, well, stupid 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links 8 Things The Rings Of Power Does Better Than Peter Jackson’s Lord Of The Rings Movies Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

28 Marras 202336min

77. Men Want Power, Isildur Didn’t Kill Sauron, and the Ring’s Mind – with The Tolkien Road!

77. Men Want Power, Isildur Didn’t Kill Sauron, and the Ring’s Mind – with The Tolkien Road!

This week we’re looking at the prologue of Fellowship of the Ring with John Carswell from the Tolkien Road podcast. Listen in as we discuss: Men Want Power, not Immortality Elendil’s Battle and Elrond’s Pleading The Ring’s Got a Mind of its Own Check out The Tolkien Road podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify In our extended episode (available for our members for only $4/mo–free for the first month!) we talk about: Become a member at https://theonering.com/members to find out Could Sauron have made the ring with one of his eyeballs?! 😜 Why didn’t Elrond take the ring from Isildur (in the movie) when he had the chance? Did Elrond know he couldn’t take the Ring himself (when he was with Isildur)? How would we have changed the final battle between Elendil/Gil-galad and Sauron? 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Tolkien Road on X Tolkien Road on Apple Podcasts Tolkien Road on Spotify Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Letters of JRR Tolkien (Revised and Expanded) Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

21 Marras 20231h 17min

76. Saruman the suck-up, Elrond hates Men, and Formless Sauron – with the Middle-earth Mixer!

76. Saruman the suck-up, Elrond hates Men, and Formless Sauron – with the Middle-earth Mixer!

The Middle-earth Mixer joins us this week to look at why Peter Jackson made some pretty big changes to 3 central characters. Listen in as we look at: Sauron, the Formless Elrond, the Unbeliever Saruman, Sith Lord Check out The Middle-earth Mixer’s podcast on Apple Podcasts or Spotify In our extended episode (available for our members for only $4/mo–free for the first month!) we talk about: Become a member at https://theonering.com/members to find out How could Sauron have been better portrayed in the films? Did Christopher Lee regret playing the changed Saruman? Did Peter Jackson kill off Saruman just to get rid of the Scouring of the Shire? 🎉 To get the extended episode, become a member at https://theonering.com/members ($4/mo and free for the 1st month)! BECOME A MEMBER! Get access to the extended edition of this podcast, our private Discord chat, and  live chats. Click here! 🔗 Episode Links Middle-earth Mixer on X Middle-earth Mixer on Apple Podcasts Middle-earth Mixer on Spotify Submit a LOTR Film Change Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat 🎧 Subscribe to our Podcast Get the Extended Podcast Subscribe on Apple Subscribe on Google 🔍 If You Like Tolkien Make Tolkien Great Again – Tengwar Hat The Silmarillion The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien 🗣 Special Thanks to Austin Robertson for the use of his voice!

14 Marras 20231h

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