Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner on DevOps on the Windows Terminal Team - Episode 54

Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner on DevOps on the Windows Terminal Team - Episode 54

On this week’s podcast, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner are joining the show! Kayla is a Program Manager on the Windows Terminal Team and has been working for Microsoft for the last 8 years, and Rich is a Senior Program Manager, also on the Windows Terminal Team and has been with Microsoft for nearly 4 years.

Kayla and Rich are speaking with Jeffrey today to discuss how the Windows Terminal Team does DevOps. They’ll be speaking about all the recent news regarding the new Windows Terminal, the history of what it has meant to the command line on Windows (as such a critical part of the operating system), and all that they do to ship code and set up their DevOps environment! They also share information on which dependencies and environment you need to have in place to actually build it and run it locally for yourself.

Tune in to get the full scope on this really critical piece of software!

Topics of Discussion:

[:44] Be sure to visit AzureDevOps.Show for past episodes and show notes!

[:51] Jeffrey gives some announcements and lets you know where to get a hold of his book, .NET DevOps for Azure.

[2:15] About today’s guests, Kayla Cinnamon and Rich Turner.

[2:28] Jeffrey welcomes Kayla and Rich on to the podcast!

[3:23] How Kayla and Rich landed on the Windows Terminal Team and how the creation of the new Windows Terminal came about.

[13:11] What is Kayla’s tool of choice for creating wireframes and mockups?

[14:20] Rich picks their story back up from when Kayla joined the Windows Terminal Team.

[16:21] Starting with their thought process around architecture, Rich speaks about what goes on before they even put hands to keyboards.

[24:40] A word from Azure DevOps Podcast’s sponsor: Clear Measure.

[25:06] How will they be documenting this going forward?

[25:52] How do they have the code for Windows Terminal organized?

[29:46] Rich shares the GitHub URL for the new (and original) Windows Terminal and Kayla explains which dependencies and environment you need to have in order to actually build it and run it locally.

[31:52] Kayla and Rich talk about the build process and the whole flow of making changes.

[33:52] Kayla begins explaining the process piece-by-piece (from their method of branching, what testing framework is used, how many tests are in the terminal codebase to how they automate the workflow in GitHub, the workflow for members, and more).

[42:09] What’s the breadth of static analysis that’s part of the build? And what are their tools of choice for the steps involving static analysis?

[45:05] Rich gets into what’s at the end of the chain after the pull request gets accepted and merges into master (i.e. what the process looks like and what steps are there).

[48:09] What is their opinion about the viability of small text-based user interfaces?

[54:20] Rich gives his recommendations on where to get started and learn more.

[55:48] Jeffrey thanks Rich and Kayla for joining the podcast!

Mentioned in this Episode:

Azure DevOps

Clear Measure (Sponsor)

.NET DevOps for Azure, by Jeffrey Palermo

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsproject

bit.ly/dotnetdevopsbookforcommunity — Visit to get your hands on two free books to give away at conferences or events!

Windows Terminal (Preview)

Microsoft Ignite 2019

Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter Follow to stay informed about future events!

Jeffrey Palermo’s Youtube

Jeffrey’s .NET DevOps Bootcamp (Oct. 28-30th, in Lakeway, TX)

Kayla Cinnamon’s LinkedIn

Rich Turner’s LinkedIn

Figma

Microsoft Visio

GitHub.com/Microsoft/Terminal

TAEF

Turbo Vision

Chocolatey
Kayla’s Twitter: @Cinnamon_MSTF

Rich’s Twitter: @RichTurn_MS

DevBlogs.Microsoft.com/CommandLine

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Donovan Brown: Microservices DevOps - Episode 219

Donovan Brown: Microservices DevOps - Episode 219

Donovan Brown is a Partner Program Manager in the Azure CTO Incubations team at Microsoft. The Incubations team focuses on forward-looking development and innovation to facilitate the development of new projects and ideas. Before joining Microsoft, Donovan spent seven years as a Process Consultant and a Certified Scrum Master. Donovan has traveled the globe helping companies develop solutions using agile practices in many industries. Donovan is an avid programmer, often finding ways to integrate software into his other hobbies and activities.   Topics of Discussion: [3:02] Donovan talks about the high points of his career and what led him to work in the Azure CTO incubations team at Microsoft. [7:14] What are the differences in a DevOps environment for microservices from an interior application? [9:49] There can be pure and perfect pipelines for microservices, but there's a whole bunch of gray there. [12:25] Microservices are as small as they can be but no smaller. [14:22] Donovan shares that what he is thinking about is which of these do I need to scale independently of everything else, and how can he then write it in such a way that it works. [18:44] Donovan shares why he calls himself “test aware.” [25:57] How do you decide if a microservice needs to scale separately from the rest of the application? [31:02] When Donovan thinks of Web3, the first thing that pops into his mind is blockchains. [32:18] To Donovan, the technology is about the blockchain that underlies it, the ability to write smart contracts that live on that blockchain, and being able to democratize a lot of things that today are centralized through the people who do our authentication for us and who own our data. [34:53] What’s the current state of DevOps, and where are we on the Web3 curve? Donovan talks about the need to educate yourself about it, and to make sure you listen to a diversity of opinions. [41:35] NFTs can actually be used for really clever use cases that a lot of people just haven't seen yet.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.network How to Use Azure DevOps Services with Donovan Brown DevOps for Web3 series Donovan Brown at MS Ignite 2022   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Dave McKinstry: The Evolution of DevOps - Episode 218

Dave McKinstry: The Evolution of DevOps - Episode 218

Dave McKinstry. Dave is a Director at GitHub helping to drive the FastTrack program. Prior to GitHub, he worked as a Program Manager with the Azure DevOps Services Community Team — connecting with partners and customers, spreading modern practices, and helping developers succeed with DevOps and Azure. Prior to his position at Microsoft, he has been in software services and technical sales for over 30 years. As a consultant, principal consultant, co-owner, and manager, he has always helped people efficiently build better software. He loves what he does as a technologist and enjoys being a part of today's rapid technology evolution.   Topics of Discussion: [3:05] Dave talks about getting into consulting, and then finding his way to Azure DevOps before joining Microsoft, and ultimately GitHub. [4:27] What is the difference between Microsoft and GitHub? How do they do things differently? [7:57] The evolution of DevOps and how it has evolved over time from the start to now. [9:53] Why DevSecOps is redundant. Security has to be part of everything we do. So security is every engineer and every product owner. For anyone working in your company, security is part of their job. [11:00] Dave discusses Inner Source. [15:05] Having cultural trust is extremely important. Can you trust the people that you have working for you to do the best work they can for your organization? If the answer is no, there are probably other problems, other things to worry about. [16:08] You can see the code of anything external that’s been shared, but there are a lot of organizations with multiple software teams who just don’t automatically give their own employees even read access to the repositories of the other team. [21:50] Microsoft has kind of done some things to strengthen GitHub, like hosted build agents and others, and then GitHub does things that strengthen Microsoft.  [30:05] Where does Dave think the industry is headed in the future?  [31:51] Regardless of how big the company is, developers should be better empowered.  [32:03] Plug for GitHub Universe.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.network Dave McKinstry on Integrating Azure DevOps and the Culture of DevOps - Episode 005 GitHub GitHub Universe   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Nicholas Blumhardt: Structured Logging - Episode 217

Nicholas Blumhardt: Structured Logging - Episode 217

Nicholas Blumhardt is the Founder/CEO at @datalust_seq, core maintainer for #Serilog, founder of @AutofacIoC, and long-ago .NET PM at Microsoft. He resides in Brisbane, Australia.   Topics of Discussion: [2:25] Nicholas talks about what got him into structured logging. [7:09] As a consultant, what surprised Nicholas about structured logging? [7:57] Rather than just being able to easily pass the logs that he was already writing, Nicholas could think about building something that was more like a developer interface for the app. [10:07] A lot of people associate the tooling and technology with DevOps, but if you dig back into why we originally set out on that path, it was much more about the practices. [11:10] Building your systems so that they are easier to run and diagnose issues is really where it’s at. [12:25] Structured logging is just one tool in the tool belt to achieve observability. [13:54] What other tools does Nicholas use to gain observability? [17:09] What is Serilog and how does it serve as an interface for structured logging? [29:51] Why is Seq useful and why should listeners give it a try?   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.network Nicholas Blumhardt Twitter Autofac Website Autofac Serilog Seq Nicholas Blumhardt Website nblumhardt@nblumhardt.com

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Isaac Abraham: Farmer for Azure Deployments - Episode 216

Isaac Abraham: Farmer for Azure Deployments - Episode 216

Isaac Abraham is an. NET MVP and a .NET developer since .NET 1.0 with an interest in cloud computing and distributed data problems. He is the author of Get Programming with F# and is the director of Compositional IT. He specializes in consultancy, training, and development, helping customers adopt high-quality, functional-first solutions on the .NET platform.   Topics of Discussion: [3:12] Isaac talks about getting into Software Dev, how he sought to work in a small space where he could learn hands-on about .NET development, and how he has been doing that ever since. [4:22] How has the landscape changed? [5:00] Isaac got into Azure during the early days. [6:59] How is consulting different? [13:20] What exactly is Farmer, and how do we use it? [16:44] Does it matter which .NET language the nougat package is pulled into? [18:29] An F# project can exist nicely in a Visual Studio solution with other C# projects. [19:59] With Isaac’s unabashed opinion on Farmer, does he prefer having one project that has all of the infrastructure code for both with all the components that are deployed in the application, or does he prefer referencing pharma from the different applications and distributing that logic? [29:48] Isaac does use Azure Client, but ironically, it’s only to deploy the templates that Farmer generates.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.network The Cockney Coder Isaac Abraham FarmerCompositional IT isaac@compositional-it.com Isaac’s Twitter Get Programming with F#: A guide for .NET developers   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Ted Neward: Getting the Most Out of In-Person Conferences - Episode 215

Ted Neward: Getting the Most Out of In-Person Conferences - Episode 215

Ted is a self-described geek who takes great pride and joy in making other geeks into bigger and better (and hopefully more highly rewarded) geeks. Having recently stepped into a management role, Ted has been looking for more and more ways to leverage his skills as a “force multiplier” across his entire team to not only better the team itself — but the entire organization as a whole.   Topics of Discussion: [5:04] Microsoft is probably going to look for ways to do the summit in person, but the pandemic has shown us we can also use remote options for those that don’t want to or can’t travel. [6:14] Ted discusses some tools that make getting the information at conferences easier and more accessible. [13:15] We all want to find that tribe; to find that group of people where we feel like we fit in. [23:10] Ted talks about why he doesn’t love that a lot of conferences are kind of trying to combine professional development and family vacation. [25:10] Remember that you are at a professional event, and you represent your company. Don’t lose sight of why you are there. [28:20] What Ted has been playing with these days. [34:56] The problem with low-code solutions is that they’re designed for hobbyists. [40:26] The emergence of low-code and no-code tools.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.network Episode 135 http://www.lolcode.org/ — lolcode: transpiler, compiler https://github.com/justinmeza/lci https://ballerina.io/ http://www.cs.uni.edu/~okane/source/MUMPS-MDH/MumpsTutorial.pdf   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Alvin Ashcraft: Windows SDKs - Episode 214

Alvin Ashcraft: Windows SDKs - Episode 214

Alvin Ashcraft has over 27 years of programming experience in the healthcare, financial, and manufacturing industries. He is a Content Developer for Microsoft, creating docs for Windows developers on Microsoft Docs. He has authored a book for Packt Publishing titled Learn WinUI 3, and has just published his second book, Parallel Programming and Concurrency with C# 10 and .NET 6, out now.   Alvin is one of the founders and organizers of the TechBash developer conference held annually at the Kalahari Resort in Pocono Manor, PA. In his previous life, he worked for consulting firms as a software developer. During those years Alvin developed solutions for clients in the manufacturing, financial, and healthcare industries. Alvin is a blogger, technology geek, family guy, and former Microsoft MVP. He has a wonderful wife and three amazing daughters.   Topics of Discussion: [3:18] How Alvin got started with his blog, and how blogging made RSS a thing. [5:48] What exactly does NewsBlur do for you? [10:10] Are we overstating it when we say that people who work in development need to become expert users of all the frameworks and tools they intend to use? [12:20] Alvin talks about the inspiration behind his new book, and why he chose parallel programming and concurrency as the topics. [16:35] Okay, what is it really like having TechBash at the beautiful Kalahari resort? [22:00] What does the future hold for Windows development? [24:03] How else can we best be prepared for the future?   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.network Alvin’s main blog Alvin’s WinUI blog Twitter TechBash Twitter TechBash site Alvin’s GitHub OpenLiveWriter plugin The Documentation landing page on MS Learn: Learn.microsoft.com/docs/ The landing page for Windows developer docs: Learn.microsoft.com/windows/apps/ A list of sample apps and samples repos for Windows developers Learn WinUI 3 book: Parallel Programming  and Concurrency with C# 10 and .NET 6 book Newsblur.com/ Feedly.com/ Openlivewriter.com/ Github.com/MicrosoftDocs/win32 Github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windows-dev-docs Github.com/MicrosoftDocs/sdk-api TPL Data Flow library   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Rob Richardson: Web Services in .NET 6 - Episode 213

Rob Richardson: Web Services in .NET 6 - Episode 213

Rob Richardson is a software craftsman who is building web properties in ASP.NET, Node, React, and Vue. He’s a software developer, a community leader, a mentor, and the business owner of Richardson & Sons. Additionally, Rob is a Microsoft MVP; a published author; a frequent speaker at conferences, user groups, and community events; and a diligent teacher and student of high-quality software development.   Topics of Discussion: [3:25] Rob starts us off with a cool trick to remember how many days of the month there are. [5:25] Rob talks about why he invested in getting really good at unit testing and integration testing. [5:50] What is the big “wow” factor that developers should not miss with .NET6? [8:35] With minimal APIs, is it different capabilities, or have they mapped all of the capabilities of web API down into those extension methods that you can use? [10:25] What is the difference between authorization and authentication? [17:25] What’s Rob’s preferred mechanism for internal private web services? [21:30] Where Raspberry APIs really shine. [22:08] Rob tells us about a very cool talk he has coming up. [27:03] DevContainers is such a magical thing. [28:02] Rob is digging deep into GitHub actions, and he is starting to build out custom GitHub action tasks for interesting things.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.net Episode 131 jwt.io   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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Mark Miller: The Science of Great UI in Software - Episode 212

Mark Miller: The Science of Great UI in Software - Episode 212

Today’s guest is Mark Miller, a seven-year C# MVP with strong expertise in decoupled design, plug-in architectures, and great user interfaces. He is the Chief Architect of the IDE Tools division at Developer Express, as well as the visionary force behind productivity tools like CodeRush. Mark is a top-ranked speaker at conferences around the world and has been creating tools for software for almost four decades. On top of all that, Mark also streams live C# and typescript coding and design on Twitch.TV/CodeRushed!   Topics of Discussion: [2:45] Mark lives in Spain without speaking Spanish. [4:09] Over the recent months, they have made DevExpress free for everyone. [9:49] How did CodeRush start? [11:37] Products like CodeRush typically are leaders in innovating new features that are often incorporated into the IDE. [12:09] Intellicode is a brilliant innovation. [17:08] Mindset tips on using features to make your product better, and to make the important function available where the user is. [21:49] Mark shares the key to winning long-term in the IDE world — discoverability. [26:03] You want it to be easy for your customers to discover how to use the app, and what features are in the app.   Mentioned in this Episode: Architect Tips — New video podcast! Azure DevOps Clear Measure (Sponsor) .NET DevOps for Azure: A Developer’s Guide to DevOps Architecture the Right Way, by Jeffrey Palermo — Available on Amazon! Jeffrey Palermo’s YouTube Jeffrey Palermo’s Twitter — Follow to stay informed about future events! Programming with Palermo programming@palermo.net “Mark Miller on Developer Productivity — Episode 37” WCAG Standards and Guidelines CODERUSH “The Science of Great UI”   Want to Learn More? Visit AzureDevOps.Show for show notes and additional episodes.

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