AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

AI as a Multiplier for Pricing with Emanuel Martonca

Emanuel Martonca, founder of Soft Fight, reveals how agentic AI is solving one of the biggest challenges in IT services: coordinating pricing decisions across hundreds of people in decentralized organizations.

After his career journey from product management to sales management to discovering pricing at a Simon Kucher workshop, Emanuel shares how his bootstrapped company evolved from traditional consulting to building AI-powered pricing agents that act as an ever-present pricing manager- coaching teams, improving proposals, and recommending pricing models without sending a single byte of data outside the client's infrastructure.

In this episode, learn why AI should augment rather than replace pricing teams, why deterministic calculations still matter, and how to quantify value in IT services without universal quality standards.

Why You Have to Check Out Today's Podcast:

  • Discover how AI solves coordination problems in large IT services companies where hundreds of people make pricing decisions without pricing expertise.
  • Learn why AI should augment pricing teams, not replace them, and why deterministic calculations still matter more than probabilistic AI outputs.
  • Understand how to quantify value in IT services using measurable quality attributes instead of universally accepted standards.

“Pricing is leverage. It allows you to have an impact with very few actions, with little effort."

– Emanuel Martonca

Topics Covered:

01:32 -Emanuel's transformational discovery of pricing at a Belgian retail bank workshop that revealed a world he didn't know existed—launching 18 years of pricing-focused work.

02:37 - Why pricing is the ultimate leverage tool, especially in B2B tech where "it's just communication"—what you write in Excel, on websites, and in proposals.

03:28 - How the pandemic transformed Emanuel from a globe-trotting sales manager into a pricing consultant, then bootstrapped Soft Fight to solve the value extraction gap in tech companies.

04:41 - How large IT companies lose money when hundreds of non-experts across five functions (finance, marketing, sales, delivery, executives) make pricing decisions on every custom project.

06:59 - The evolution from deterministic SaaS pricing rules to AI-augmented agents installed in client infrastructure—solving pricing problems in hours instead of years without sending data externally.

08:00 - Why new deals lack technical depth and renewals lack value articulation—and how AI coordinates knowledge without restructuring organizations.

11:00 - Eight AI agents (four for understanding, four for justifying) with access to all systems but zero external communication—no security or privacy risks.

13:00 - All pricing calculations remain deterministic because AI makes too many mistakes—it's used only for reading RFPs, emails, and meeting notes to improve value communication.

14:17 - How AI acts as a coach recommending pricing models with ready-made arguments, eliminating months of change management—with email as the main interface.

16:17 - Why determining "how long will this take?" is unpredictable and varies by person and timing—and how AI solves the costliest unknown in custom projects.

18:00 - Mark's perspective on why costs matter less than value, and why companies avoid alternative pricing models despite knowing hourly billing hurts both sides.

21:00 - When AI tools cut development time, hourly pricing becomes self-defeating: "You're cutting your own revenue"—forcing the industry to finally sell value, not time.

21:56 - Starting with measurable quality attributes on invented scales that competitors can't compare—getting 80% of the way just by having the quantification discussion.

23:00 - Mark's framework for B2B value and why results translate to economic impact through customer KPIs like reduced complaints, not abstract "quality" metrics.

25:00 - Unlike automotive suppliers with nanometer specs, IT services vendors can define their own quality metrics—putting them two steps ahead of alternatives.

26:00 - The necessity of industry knowledge for value conversations (increase revenue, reduce costs, mitigate risk) and how AI enables understanding of new sectors that would've taken years.

27:30 - Final Advice: AI as Your Pricing Force Multiplier Using AI for research, analysis, and domain understanding when teams are too small or mandates unclear—plus how to connect with Emanuel on LinkedIn.

Key Takeaways:

"AI is a huge multiplier for pricing experts—not for calculating prices, I agree with you on that, it's not there yet. But for everything else around pricing, whether we want to call it product management, analysis, or research, it can help us overcome typical challenges." - Emanuel Martonca

"Pricing is a change management problem. It can be done, it'll take months, sometimes years, and they have to experiment and they have to make mistakes." - Emanuel Martonca

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Mastering Value-Based Selling: Five Steps to Winning and Retaining Customers with Mike Wilkinson

Mastering Value-Based Selling: Five Steps to Winning and Retaining Customers with Mike Wilkinson

Mike Wilkinson is referred to as The Value Sales Expert whose focus is on value and value selling.  In this episode, Mike shares what is involved in a successful value-based selling to enable tailored solutions that address specific challenges of your customers. He emphasizes the importance of measuring and reinforcing delivered value while developing ongoing relationships to uncover new opportunities and ensure long-term success.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Learn about a five-step value-based selling framework to help you master value-based selling and deepen customer relationships. Gain Insights from real-world perspectives, practical advice, and candid reflections on overcoming common sales challenges. Discover how to shift from a product-first to a customer-first mindset and transform your sales approach.   "The most important thing from a seller's point of view is be confident in your price. And the way to be confident in your pricing is to make sure that you know, you're absolutely certain, that the value that you are delivering is more than a match for the price you're going to be charging." - Mike Wilkinson   Topics Covered: 02:21 - Mike describing what he does 02:52 - Elaborating on the concept of value 07:33 - Highlighting the 'Value Triad' as it relates to the value drivers 11:08 - Mike's approach to teaching value-based selling 14:46 - Outdated sales practices that focus on pushing products rather than solving customer problems 16:48 - Thoughts on Zig Ziglar's sales principles and the importance of value discovery in the sales process 21:48 - How to ask impact-driven questions 24:07 - Detailing an effective value discovery and value demonstration to ensure a successful conclusion 26:51 - What value delivery means 28:07 - Value development and what it encompasses and the importance of regular reviews 29:33 - Mike's best pricing advice   Key Takeaways: “Until we understand how our customers are defining value for them, then to all intents and purposes, value is a mystery. And as sellers in particular, our job is to solve that value mystery.” - Mike Wilkinson “It’s your customer that defines value, not you.” - Mike Wilkinson “Until you've understood what the issues are from the customer's point of view, you do not have a solution.” - Mike Wilkinson   People/Resources Mentioned: McKinsey: https://www.mckinsey.com Zig Ziglar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zig_Ziglar Seth Godin: https://www.sethgodin.com   Connect with Mike Wilkinson: Website: https://axiavalue.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mikewilkinson-thevalueexpert/ Email: mw@axiavalue.com   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: What Every Team Should Learn from Pricing Experts: Focus on Value

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on October 10, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/what-every-team-should-learn-from-pricing-experts-focus-on-value/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com.  Now, go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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How Philips Healthcare Drives Profitability Through Value-Based Pricing with Daniel Cho

How Philips Healthcare Drives Profitability Through Value-Based Pricing with Daniel Cho

Daniel Cho has over 29 years of experience in the healthcare industry, currently serving as the Senior Director of Global Pricing at Philips Healthcare. With a background in sales, product management, and pricing strategy, Daniel has a unique perspective on how to effectively communicate value to customers and drive profitability. In this episode, Daniel shares his journey into pricing and the critical importance of understanding the value your product delivers to customers. He emphasizes that pricing should not just be about features but about the economic, operational, emotional, clinical, and societal value that resonates with different stakeholders. Through real-world examples, Daniel illustrates how a well-structured pricing strategy can lead to stronger, more profitable relationships.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Discover the five key value drivers that can transform your pricing strategy and enhance customer relationships. Learn how to effectively communicate value to different stakeholders within a healthcare organization, from CFOs to clinical staff. Gain insights into structuring contracts and pricing metrics that align with customer needs and perceptions of value.   “Resist on the discount as much as possible. Look for every other ways to solve it rather than the discount. The discount should always be a last resort and not the first thing you want to deliver or give.” – Daniel Cho   Topics Covered: 02:33 - Daniel's journey into pricing 03:23 - The power of pricing strategy, using segmentation and perceived value to differentiate identical products for distinct markets 06:58 -  How two identical products can be integrated differently with existing pricing ecosystems 07:57 - Leveraging his expertise in data analysis to establish Philips' first pricing department 12:11 - Initiating a value-based approach at Philips to create, price, and articulate value 14:22 - Defining value and discussing the 5 key value drivers in a health organization 18:03 - Tailoring value propositions and demonstrating how those four other value streams ultimately lead to financial and strategic benefits 25:22 - An effective sales training Daniel created that teaches salespeople to tailor value-based pitches to different stakeholders’ priorities 31:27 - Daniel's best pricing advice   Key Takeaways: “We cannot continue to sell features and benefits, we have to go and sell value.” - Daniel Cho “If the product is not value-based, you can't ask the salespeople to sell value because you have to start from the product that actually deliver and generate value. So, we started from the product managers.” - Daniel Cho “The first one is economic value. Very simple. Help me to make more revenue or help me to save costs so I have an economic benefit.” - Daniel Cho “The next value is the emotional value. How can we create a better experience for the patients and also their own staff so the staff don't get burnout.” - Daniel Cho “Financial value, although as strong as it is, doesn't resonate with everyone.” - Daniel Cho “Stop giving discounts for free. Always get something back from the customer.” - Daniel Cho   People/Resources Mentioned: Philips Healthcare: https://www.philips.com/ Apple Watch Launch: https://www.apple.com/ Bausch and Lomb Contact Lens Case: https://www.bausch.com/   Connect with Daniel Cho: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielkkcho/   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: For B2B, Value Is Incremental Profit

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Mastering Contracts, Metrics, and Value: Strategies for Pricing Excellence with Lisa Thompson

Mastering Contracts, Metrics, and Value: Strategies for Pricing Excellence with Lisa Thompson

Lisa Thompson has corporate experience that spans software/SaaS, industrial manufacturing, life sciences/healthcare, medtech, fintech, and B2B services. Together with clients, she delivers unique, actionable solutions tailored to their organizational needs and realities leading to profitable, sustainable revenue and growth.  In this episode, Lisa shares the importance of deeply understanding the economic value your product delivers to customers and aligning it with their buying processes, highlighting that many companies fall short in these areas. Through real-world examples, Lisa shows how uncovering the true drivers of customer satisfaction can transform pricing strategies and lead to stronger, more profitable relationships.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Deep dive into the critical importance of understanding and quantifying the economic value your product delivers to customers so you gain actionable insights to refine your approach. Gain valuable guidance on structuring contracts, from incorporating escalators to aligning terms with customer needs, ensuring profitability and flexibility in volatile markets. Learn how to evaluate and select pricing metrics that truly reflect the value customers derive, unlocking hidden revenue opportunities.    "In the metric, understand how you currently charge customers. Not the price level, but the price metric. Double check to see if that aligns with whether they get high value or low value. If it doesn't, we don't necessarily have the right metric. There can be magic and a lot of money in getting the metric right."  - Lisa Thompson   Topics Covered: 01:43 - How she ended up in pricing 03:44 - Why value-based pricing is not simply charging higher prices for more value 05:32 - Highlighting the nuances in pricing strategies, explaining ways to leverage value other than higher prices 11:39 - Sharing a lighthearted story about Tom Nagle's amusing moments 13:37 - Emphasizing what many companies struggle to do with deal structuring 16:50 - Explaining why understanding the economic value of a product must come hand in hand with a deep knowledge of the customer's buying process 23:02 - The need for long-term contracts to include appropriate escalators and de-escalators 26:54 - Why contract structures should align with how customers perceive and experience value 30:59 - Lisa's best pricing advice   Key Takeaways: "Just because value's high, it doesn't mean I can always get a high price for it." - Lisa Thompson "One of the things I want people to understand in our work is that getting a price premium or charging more than you used to charge isn't the only way to get paid for adding more value." - Lisa Thompson "We know the value, but that's not the same thing as knowing the buying process." - Lisa Thompson   People/Resources Mentioned: Tom Nagle: https://impactpricing.com/podcast/604-insights-into-value-based-pricing-strategies-for-b2b-with-tom-nagle/ Reed Holden: https://impactpricing.com/podcast/ep97-pricing-in-the-new-normal-with-reed-holden/ Gilette: https://gillette.com   Connect with Lisa Thompson: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-spadafora-thompson/ Email: LThompson@sturbridgegrowthpartners.com   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: Pricing New Products: Myth #1

Blogcast: Pricing New Products: Myth #1

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on September 23, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/pricing-new-products-myth-1/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com.  Now, go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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Instant Profits Unveiled: A CEO's Guide to Fearless Pricing Strategies with Mark Stiving and Rebecca Kalogeris

Instant Profits Unveiled: A CEO's Guide to Fearless Pricing Strategies with Mark Stiving and Rebecca Kalogeris

Every decision can make or break profitability, and pricing remains one of the most powerful yet underutilized levers. There is fear that often holds companies back from taking bold steps in pricing. How about getting a proven playbook to guide you? Get to have a peek at Mark Stiving's groundbreaking new book, Instant Profits: How to Raise Prices Without Losing Customers.  In this episode, together with Mark and guest-host, Rebecca Kalogeris, we explore how this concise, impactful guide empowers executives and decision-makers to conquer pricing fears, implement value-based strategies, and unlock untapped revenue potential—all in under an hour of reading. Let's bring your pricing game to a whole new level and make a lasting impact.   Why you have to check out today’s podcast: Gain access to the behind-the-scenes of the making of Instant Profits book and how it showcases a concise, actionable guide that can help executives make meaningful changes in their companies. Delve into the common fear of raising prices and gain actionable strategies to address it and boost your revenue confidently. Learn how to price based on the value delivered rather than arbitrary metrics in order to optimize profitability.   "If you are an executive, this book is awesome because it gives you a chance to read about what you could or should be doing in pricing, and you can do it in less than an hour. Come up with at least one or two ideas of things you can go do, and it's going to make the company money." - Mark Stiving   Topics Covered: 01:43 - The reason why Mark wrote the book, Instant Profits: How to Raise Prices Without Losing Customers 03:18 - Mark highlighting how fear of raising prices can hinder action 04:47 - How his new book, Instant Profits: How to Raise Prices Without Losing Customers differ from the previous one 06:05 - Why you should go and buy this book for $100 and who should purchase and read it 08:05 - Rebecca explaining Amazon's royalty system and the real reason why the book is priced at $100 10:40 - Kindle version available for now and why the hardcover is still to be released 13:30 - Mark emphasizing what makes this book an invaluable and concise resource for executives   Key Takeaways: “If you are an executive, this book is awesome because it gives you a chance to read about what you could or should be doing in pricing. And you can do it in less than an hour. Come up with at least one or two ideas of things you can do and it's going to make the company money.” - Mark Stiving “The reason I'm charging a hundred dollars isn't because I need the 30 bucks or the 70 bucks or something like that. The reason we're charging a hundred dollars is because I want buyers to know that it's worth a hundred dollars. That's it.” - Mark Stiving   People/ Resources Mentioned: Instant Profits: How to Raise Prices Without Losing Customers by Mark Stiving: https://impactpricing.com/instant-profits-book/   Connect with Mark Stiving: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/ Email: mark@impactpricing.com

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Blogcast: How You Reduced Prices Without You or Customers Realizing It

This is an Impact Pricing Blog published on September 19, 2024, turned into an audio podcast so you can listen on the go. Read Full Article Here: https://impactpricing.com/blog/how-you-reduced-prices-without-you-or-customers-realizing-it/ If you have any feedback, definitely send it. You can reach us at mark@impactpricing.com.  Now, go make an impact.   Connect with Mark Stiving: Email: mark@impactpricing.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stiving/

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