Jim Clouse on the Last 4 Decades at the Most Powerful Central Bank in the World

Jim Clouse on the Last 4 Decades at the Most Powerful Central Bank in the World

Jim Clouse is a veteran of the Federal Reserve System and is currently a fellow at the Andersen Institute. In Jim's first appearance on the show, he discusses the evolution of monetary rules at the Fed, what happened at the Fed during Y2K, 9/11, the Great Financial Crisis, and the COVID Pandemic, the ever changing stigma of the discount window, Ted Cruz's calls to end interest on reserves, and much more.

Check out the transcript for this week's episode, now with links.

Recorded on September 11th, 2025

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Timestamps

00:00:00 - Intro

00:03:16 - Jim's Career

00:05:38 - Monetary Rules at the Fed

00:09:12 - Increasing Transparency at the Fed

00:17:25 - Y2K and the Fed

00:26:19 - Discount Window

00:32:21 - Global Financial Crisis

00:39:10 - Covid Pandemic

00:46:10 - Jim's Current Research

01:00:31 - Outro

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Scott Sumner on the Government's Response to COVID-19 and the Future of Level Targeting

Scott Sumner on the Government's Response to COVID-19 and the Future of Level Targeting

Scott Sumner is the Ralph G. Hawtrey Chair of Monetary Policy at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, Professor Emeritus of economics at Bentley University, and a research fellow at the Independent Institute. As a returning guest to the podcast, Scott joins Macro Musings to give his latest thoughts on the COVID-19 crisis and its implications for monetary policy. Specifically, David and Scott discuss how the Fed can conduct more aggressive monetary policy, what a level targeting regime should look like in the future, and the current progression toward negative interest rates. Transcript for the episode can be found here. Scott's Mercatus profile: https://www.mercatus.org/scholars/scott-sumner Scott's blog: https://www.themoneyillusion.com/ Related Links: Scott's bonus segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8DXU_1oIsg&feature=youtu.be *Reforming the Fed's Toolkit and Quantitative Easing Practices: A Plan to Achieve Level Targeting* by Scott Sumner and Patrick Horan https://www.mercatus.org/publications/covid-19-policy-brief-series/reforming-feds-toolkit-and-quantitative-easing-practices *Negative Interest Rates and Negative IOER* by Scott Sumner https://www.econlib.org/negative-interest-rates-and-negative-ioer/ David's blog: macromarketmusings.blogspot.com David's Twitter: @DavidBeckworth

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Martin Hellwig on the Recent German Constitutional Court Ruling and Its Potential Eurozone Implications

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Nathan Tankus on Public Finance in the COVID-19 Crisis: A Consolidated Budget Balance View and its Implications for Policy

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Kathryn Judge on the CARES Act and the Political Implications of Relief Efforts

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