Ep. 327 - The Doctor Is In Series - Healthy vs. Obsessive Ambition

Today we are joined by Dr. Cortney S. Warren, a board-certified clinical psychologist and former tenured associate professor of psychology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Dr. Warren is an expert on addictions, self-deception, eating pathology, and the practice of psychotherapy from a cross-cultural perspective. With almost 50 peer reviewed journal articles, 7 book chapters, two books, and 75 professional presentations, Dr. Warren's work appears in some of the field's top journals. She has won some of the most prestigious awards in her field. In addition to publishing in scientific, peer-reviewed journals, Dr. Warren is passionate about bringing psychological research to the general public. She works as a research consultant, keynote speaker, and writes a blog for Psychology Today. This month, she published a self-help book on love addiction and breakups called Letting Go of Your Ex. [Feb 13, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:22 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:01 - Dr. Cortney Warren Intro 05:51 - A Personal and Professional Merging of Experiences 07:41 - Freedom in the Hard Truth 09:43 - The Path from Honest Liars 11:54 - Core Struggle: Addictive Behaviors 15:09 - The War Inside Your Head 16:48 - Hold Up a Mirror 18:18 - The Role of Self Deception (In Love) 22:08 - Addicted to Love 24:40 - When the Honeymoon is Over 28:37 - Guided by Values 31:42 - The Importance of Alignment 34:10 - Leading By Example 36:06 - A Call for Compassion 38:49 - Find Dr. Cortney Warren online Website: https://drcortney.com/ LinkedIn: in/drcortney Instagram: drcortneywarren TikTok: @drcortneywarren Twitter: @DrCortneyWarren Psychology Today: Naked Truth Blog 40:09 - Who do you consider your greatest mentors? Jaine Strauss Nancy Raymond David Gleaves Antonio Cepeda-Benito 41:10 - My Grandmother: A Lesson in Resilience 44:09 - Book Recommendations Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl Up from Slavery - Booker T. Washington Letting Go of Your Ex - Cortney Warren 46:08 - Guest Wrap Up 46:48 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

13 Helmi 202347min

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Information Elicitation. We will discuss what it is, why it's so important to use 'science-based interviewing', and why approaches that encourage cooperation are better than manipulation of information retrieval. [Feb 6, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:20 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:54 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:58 – The Topic of the Day: Information Elicitation 05:41 – How does your scientific research affect practitioners? 06:47 – Start with the Brain 07:32 – Elicitation: A Scientific Definition 09:36 – Weaponizing Elicitation 11:17 – It's Easier Than You Think 13:40 – The Perils of Poker Face 16:41 – Being on the Defensive 19:17 – Me, You, and Us 21:28 – The Verbal Approaches 25:16 – Collaboration is Key! 30:37 – An Effective Approach: Subliminal Priming 32:00 – "They'll Become What They're Called" 33:33 – This Applies to Life 35:07 – Make it Conversational 36:56 – The Scharff Technique 40:48 – Forensic vs Clinical 43:23 – Last Week on "24" 45:01 – Tips for the Boss: Shame Doesn't Work 49:41 – This is the Hardest Part 51:46 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Kong, Y., & Schoenebeck, G. (2019). An information theoretic framework for designing information elicitation mechanisms that reward truth-telling. ACM Transactions on Economics and Computation (TEAC), 7(1), 1-33. Lakin, J. L., Jefferis, V. E., Cheng, C. M., & Chartrand, T. L. (2003). The chameleon effect as social glue: Evidence for the evolutionary significance of nonconscious mimicry. Journal of nonverbal behavior, 27(3), 145-162. Tschacher, W., Rees, G. M., & Ramseyer, F. (2014). Nonverbal synchrony and affect in dyadic interactions. Frontiers in psychology, 5, 1323. Brandon, S. E., Wells, S., & Seale, C. (2018). Science‐based interviewing: Information elicitation. Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling, 15(2), 133-148. Kong, Y., Schoenebeck, G., Tao, B., & Yu, F. Y. (2020, April). Information elicitation mechanisms for statistical estimation. In Proceedings of the AAAI Conference on Artificial Intelligence (Vol. 34, No. 02, pp. 2095-2102). Shaw, D. J., Vrij, A., Leal, S., Mann, S., Hillman, J., Granhag, P. A., & Fisher, R. P. (2015). Mimicry and investigative interviewing: Using deliberate mimicry to elicit information and cues to deceit. Journal of Investigative Psychology and Offender Profiling, 12(3), 217-230. Baddeley, M. C., Curtis, A., & Wood, R. (2004). An introduction to prior information derived from probabilistic judgements: elicitation of knowledge, cognitive bias and herding. Geological Society, London, Special Publications, 239(1), 15-27. Deeb, H., Vrij, A., Leal, S., & Burkhardt, J. (2021). The effects of sketching while narrating on information elicitation and deception detection in multiple interviews. Acta Psychologica, 213, 103236. Boone, R. T., & Buck, R. (2003). Emotional expressivity and trustworthiness: The role of nonverbal behavior in the evolution of cooperation. Journal of Nonverbal Behavior, 27(3), 163-182. Culpepper, P. D. (2018). Creating cooperation. In Creating Cooperation. Cornell University Press. Brimbal, L., Dianiska, R. E., Swanner, J. K., & Meissner, C. A. (2019). Enhancing cooperation and disclosure by manipulating affiliation and developing rapport in investigative interviews. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 25(2), 107. Granhag, P. A., Oleszkiewicz, S., Strömwall, L. A., & Kleinman, S. M. (2015). Eliciting intelligence with the Scharff technique: Interviewing more and less cooperative and capable sources. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 21(1), 100. Vallano, J. P., & Schreiber Compo, N. (2015). Rapport-building with cooperative witnesses and criminal suspects: A theoretical and empirical review. Psychology, Public Policy, and Law, 21(1), 85. Rilling, J. K., Gutman, D. A., Zeh, T. R., Pagnoni, G., Berns, G. S., & Kilts, C. D. (2002). A neural basis for social cooperation. Neuron, 35(2), 395-405. Fehr, E., & Rockenbach, B. (2004). Human altruism: economic, neural, and evolutionary perspectives. Current opinion in neurobiology, 14(6), 784-790. Krill, A. L., & Platek, S. M. (2012). Working together may be better: Activation of reward centers during a cooperative maze task. PloS one, 7(2), e30613.

6 Helmi 202353min

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Jan 30, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:28 – Patrick Laverty Intro 00:58 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 05:38 – "You never know" 06:51 – Todays Topic: The Role of Empathy in SE 07:02 – Empathy: A Definition 11:09 – 3 Kinds of Empathy 11:23 – Cognitive Empathy 12:21 – Emotional Empathy 13:00 – Empathic Concern 15:52 – The Role of Emotional Distance 16:57 – Learning Empathy 17:49 – What the Studies Show 19:56 – Keeping an Open Mind 21:35 – Letting Your Life Experiences Teach You 23:52 – The Social Media Bubble 25:55 – Expand And Listen 30:13 – Applying Empathy to Social Engineering 31:25 – Being Adversarial 32:45 – Don't Be the Bad Guy 38:33 – The Importance of "Why" 42:51 – Using Empathy to Make the Best Choice 48:07 – Using Empathy to Make the Hard Choice 49:55 – Practice Makes (Not Quite) Perfect 51:17 – Coming Up Next Month 52:08 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: com/in/plaverty9

30 Tammi 202352min

Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Ryan and I will have a special discussion of the 2023 security landscape. [Jan 27, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:27 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 04:25 – Don't Forget Ryan 05:11 – What Are We Talking About: 2023 Edition 05:39 – 2022 Was Rough! 07:09 – Getting Everyone Else Up To Speed 09:24 – Hackers for Hire? 12:58 – Economic Crisis = Rise in Cybercrime 15:10 – Emotional Victimizing 18:08 – Losing the Teachable Moment 20:42 – Ransomware as a Growth Industry 24:20 – MFA for All! 27:15 – There is Hope 28:40 – Make It Personal 30:47 – A Tool is Just a Tool 33:25 – Don't Recycle 34:53 – Make it Hard! 36:29 – Gotta Get it Tailored 37:47 – Trust the Process 39:40 – Wrap Up & Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org

27 Tammi 202340min

Today we are joined by Robert Kerbeck. Robert is the founder of the Malibu Writers Circle, a lifetime member of the Actors Studio, and a graduate of the University of Pennsylvania. His true crime memoir about his secret career as a corporate spy, RUSE: Lying the American Dream from Hollywood to Wall Street, has received praise from Frank Abagnale and former CIA Agent Valerie Plame. Kerbeck's writing has appeared in numerous publications including the Los Angeles Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, Los Angeles Magazine, and Lithub's Crime Reads. [Jan 25, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:26 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations - https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK - https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH - http://www.pro-rock.com/ innocentlivesfoundation.org - http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 02:21 – Robert Kerbeck Intro 03:28 – How do you "stumble" into becoming a corporate spy? 06:51 – Going inside: This is Social Engineering 08:29 – Very Dark Grey 10:33 – We Need to Talk About Kevin 11:25 – Making OJ look good 15:25 – Doing what LinkedIn can't 19:54 – Making the lie sound better than the truth 21:13 – Setting boundaries 22:21 – Hacking people is easy 24:46 – Some need convincing 26:08 – Ransomware 28:38 – No spies here! 30:03 – This isn't going away! 31:08 – Knock, knock 32:35 – Hacking the human 34:59 – Find Robert Kerbeck online Website: www.robertkerbeck.com 35:43 – Who do you consider your mentors? Professor from Freshman Year Frank Abagnale 36:49 – Book Recommendations: Fair Game – Valerie Plame Catch Me If You Can – Frank Abagnale RUSE – Robert Kerbeck 38:00 – Guest Wrap Up 38:26 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

25 Tammi 202339min

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Doctor Is In Series – where we will discuss understandings and developments in the field of psychology. In today's episode, Chris and Abbie are discussing: Shame. We will talk about how shame helps us, hinders us, why some people can deal with it and why some can't. We'll also discuss various coping strategies and more. [Jan 02, 2023] 00:00 – Intro 00:17 – Dr. Abbie Maroño Intro 00:55 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com- http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/vishing-service/ Managed Email Phishing- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/se-phishing-service/ Adversarial Simulations- https://www.social-engineer.com/services/social-engineering-penetration-test/ Social-Engineer channel on SLACK- https://social-engineering-hq.slack.com/ssb CLUTCH- http://www.pro-rock.com/ org- http://www.innocentlivesfoundation.org/ 03:38 – The topic of the day: Shame 05:44 – Is there a positive side to shame? 07:29 – Directed by beliefs 09:02 – Cultural differences 10:14 – Shame's functionality 11:16 – Societal stigma 12:35 – How shame can hinder 16:36 – Literal shutdown 19:30 – Emotional Blunting 22:15 – Guilt vs Shame: Sense of Self 24:14 – Those who can, cope! 26:54 – When shame is a symptom 28:09 – Finding a support network 30:03 – The "core" of shame 33:45 – The road to Mindfulness 37:20 – Environmental Shame 38:34 – Horrifically fascinating 41:06 – You have to get out there! 43:00 – Tips for our younger listeners 45:25 – Remember Pen Pals? 46:44 – Wrap Up 47:39 – Outro social-engineer.com innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online: Twitter: https://twitter.com/abbiejmarono LinkedIn: com/in/dr-abbie-maroño-phd-35ab2611a Twitter: https://twitter.com/humanhacker LinkedIn: com/in/christopherhadnagy References: Burkitt, I. (2008). Social selves: Theories of self and society. Sage. Elison, J., Pulos, S., & Lennon, R. (2006). Shame-focused coping: An empirical study of the compass of shame. Social Behavior and Personality: an international journal, 34(2), 161-168. Garey, S. S. (1998). Long-term effects of sibling emotional and physical abuse on adult self-concept and the associated guilt and shame. United States International University. Gilchrist, J. D., Solomon-Krakus, S., Pila, E., Crocker, P., & Sabiston, C. M. (2020). Associations between physical self-concept and anticipated guilt and shame: The moderating role of gender. Sex Roles, 83(11), 763-772. Harper, J. M. (2011). Regulating and coping with shame. Re-constructing emotional spaces: From experience to regulation, 189-206. Hawes, D. J., Helyer, R., Herlianto, E. C., & Willing, J. (2013). Borderline personality features and implicit shame-prone self-concept in middle childhood and early adolescence. Journal of Clinical Child & Adolescent Psychology, 42(3), 302-308. Kinston, W. (1983). A theoretical context for shame. International Journal of Psycho-Analysis, 64, 213-226. Krüger, S., & Rustad, G. C. (2019). Coping with shame in a media-saturated society: Norwegian web-series Skam as transitional object. Television & new media, 20(1), 72-95. Nathanson, D. L. (1987). The many faces of shame. In Partially based on a symposium held in Los Angeles, 1984 for the 137th Annual Meeting of the American Psychiatric Association.. The Guilford Press. Rüsch, N., Lieb, K., Göttler, I., Hermann, C., Schramm, E., Richter, H., ... & Bohus, M. (2007). Shame and implicit self-concept in women with borderline personality disorder. American journal of psychiatry, 164(3), 500-508. Scheff, T. J. (2003). Shame in self and society. Symbolic interaction, 26(2), 239-262. Tangney, J. P. (1996). Conceptual and methodological issues in the assessment of shame and guilt. Behaviour research and therapy, 34(9), 741-754. Taylor, P. J., McDonald, J., Smith, M., Nicholson, H., & Forrester, R. (2019). Distinguishing people with current, past, and no history of non-suicidal self-injury: Shame, social comparison, and self-concept integration. Journal of Affective Disorders, 246, 182-188. Taylor, T. F. (2015). The influence of shame on posttrauma disorders: have we failed to see the obvious?. European journal of psychotraumatology, 6(1), 28847.

16 Tammi 202348min

Welcome to the Social-Engineer Podcast: The SE Etc. Series. This series will be hosted by Chris Hadnagy, CEO of Social-Engineer LLC, and The Innocent Lives Foundation, as well as Social-Engineer.Org and The Institute for Social Engineering. Chris will be joined by his co-host Patrick Laverty as they discuss topics pertaining to the world of Social Engineering. [Dec 26, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:29 – Patrick Laverty Intro 01:18 – Intro Links Social-Engineer.com  Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations  Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH  innocentlivesfoundation.org 05:04 – Todays Topic: Dumpster Diving 06:27 – Shelby Dacko Intro 08:38 – Patrick's Pizza Adventure 14:34 – Who is Shelby? 15:51 – 9 Times 19:20 – The continuing importance of OSINT 20:44 – What are some "typical" goals for a "break-in"? 22:40 – Concerns with 3rd party security 23:08 – Shelby's nighttime find 26:37 – Shelby's Trash Talk 31:02 – All the luck 33:20 – A moment in time 35:37 – Situational Awareness 38:58 – The 4th Step 41:02 – Diversity of thought 42:06 – Cut me some SLACK 44:39 – "It's more about the raccoons" 46:50 – Wrap Up & Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org Find us online Chris Hadnagy Twitter: @humanhacker LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/christopherhadnagy Patrick Laverty Twitter: @plaverty9 LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/plaverty9

26 Joulu 202248min

Today our guest is Steve Orrin. Steve is a respected IT executive with over 30 years of experience in cybersecurity, solution architecture, virtualization security, and federal project management. Orrin earned a Bachelor's in Honors Research Biology from Kean University. He currently serves as a Federal Chief Technology Officer and Senior PE for Intel Corporation. He is also a key advisor and subject matter expert in the emerging technologies space, providing guidance to the Public Sector, Defense, and Intelligence communities. [Dec 19, 2022] 00:00 – Intro 00:55 – Intro Links: Social-Engineer.com - http://www.social-engineer.com/ Managed Voice Phishing  Managed Email Phishing Adversarial Simulations - Social-Engineer channel on SLACK  CLUTCH innocentlivesfoundation.org  03:43 – Steve Orrin Intro 04:26 – How did a biologist become a CTO at Intel? 09:10 – The evolution of security attacks 12:22 – Humans are humans 13:18 – Higher-risk targets 13:54 – If I knew then...LISTEN! 15:09 – Speak the language 16:27 – Making limoncello out of lemons 17:36 – Check your ego 19:04 – The prerequisites 21:06 – A Self-fulfilling Prophecy of Awesome Things 22:15 – Perfection is the Enemy of Good 26:06 – Handling failure 28:12 – Culturing opportunities 30:37 – Ninja skills 32:07 – Have you had mentors in your career? Bruce Schneier David Riss 33:42 – Book Recommendations Good to Great – Jim Collins Built to Last – Jim Collins Applied Cryptography – Bruce Schneier 35:52 – Find Steve Orrin online LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/sorrin/ intel.com/publicsector 37:02 – Wrap Up 37:21 – Outro www.social-engineer.com www.innocentlivesfoundation.org

19 Joulu 202237min