DSP 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford
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DSP 137. Why You Shouldn’t Aim for Perfect: Building Design Systems That Deliver Business Value with Noelle Lansford

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. If you’ve ever struggled to balance perfection with business reality, this episode is for you. In this episode of the Design Systems Podcast, Chris Strahl talks with Noelle Lansford, founder of Shep, about why chasing the “perfect system” often breaks more than it fixes. Drawing on her experience across startups and Fortune 5 companies, Noelle argues that design systems succeed when they serve people and the business—not when they chase architectural p...

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7. Skip Newberry: Technology and design in government

7. Skip Newberry: Technology and design in government

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Chris talks to the President and CEO of the Technology Association of Oregon (TAO), Skip Newberry. While Skip may not work in the DS community day-to-day, he h...

21 Helmi 202031min

6. Marco Suárez: Buying into design systems

6. Marco Suárez: Buying into design systems

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Chris chats with Marco Suárez about his design experiences in the early days, before the term 'design systems' was official. The two walk through how to drive ...

6 Helmi 202037min

5. Tatiana Mac: Design and inclusivity

5. Tatiana Mac: Design and inclusivity

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Chris talks with Tatiana Mac about ensuring design systems, specifically components, are accessible. The two discuss accessibility testing tools, being sure to...

17 Tammi 202033min

4. Dan Mall: How do design systems work in enterprise organizations?

4. Dan Mall: How do design systems work in enterprise organizations?

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Dan Mall calls in from the East coast to chat with Chris about design systems and their role in enterprise organizations. How does this affect the teams that w...

2 Tammi 202037min

3. Emily Campbell: Design and code convergence

3. Emily Campbell: Design and code convergence

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. Chris and Emily Campbell discuss the convergence of design and code, and what that actually looks like. They walk through what a designer role looks like in a ...

18 Joulu 201937min

1.  Evan Lovely: What are design systems?

1. Evan Lovely: What are design systems?

Send us feedback or episode suggestions. In the pilot episode of the Design Systems Podcast, host Chris Strahl talks with Evan Lovely about design systems as a whole. What are they? Who are they meant...

9 Joulu 201924min