Kouri Richins Trial Day 8: Affair Texts, "What Does It Feel Like to Kill Someone," and Eric's Secret Trust Revealed

Day eight of the Kouri Richins murder trial was unlike any day that came before it. No forensic accountants. No cell tower maps. Just texts, tears, and a question asked in the Uinta Mountains two weeks after Eric Richins died.

Robert Josh Grossman — Kouri's boyfriend before and after Eric's death — testified in Park City, Utah on the four-year anniversary of the morning Eric was found dead. Prosecutors presented years of text messages between them, including Kouri writing: "If he could just go away and you could just be here. Life would be so perfect." And in December 2021: "I can't expect you to sit around for the day the trigger gets pulled." And in January 2022 — the same month the first alleged drug purchase occurred — asking Grossman if he had ever done drugs besides marijuana.

Grossman broke down on the stand. The judge called a recess. When asked if he needed to stretch his legs, Grossman said: "It ain't the legs."

About ten to fourteen days after Eric died, Kouri and Grossman drove to the Uinta Mountains. According to Grossman's testimony, during that drive Kouri asked him if he had ever killed anyone while serving in Iraq — and how it made him feel. At the time, he said, he thought nothing of it. After she was arrested, he said he looked back at everything differently.

Prosecutors also revealed that Eric had quietly consulted a divorce attorney in October 2020, built a living trust naming his sister — not Kouri — as trustee over $7.6 million in assets, and told his estate attorney that Kouri had misused his power of attorney to access $250,000 of his money. He chose not to revoke it. His reason: she was the mother of his children.

The defense moved for a mistrial over newly disclosed information about Carmen Lauber. Judge Mrazik asked for a written motion. Kouri Richins has pleaded not guilty and is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Every word she typed to Grossman is now in front of the jury.

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