The Thing About Making Rocks, Sovay Berriman (2026), with Marie-Anne McQuay (EMPIRE LINES Live at Flamm 2026, Liverpool Biennial 2025)

The Thing About Making Rocks, Sovay Berriman (2026), with Marie-Anne McQuay (EMPIRE LINES Live at Flamm 2026, Liverpool Biennial 2025)

In this special episode, artist Sovay Berriman and curator Marie-Anne McQuay join EMPIRE LINES live, to unearth histories of extractivism in Cornwall and Liverpool, and the relations between colonialism, clay, copper, and tin mining, tourism, and cultural identity, through The Thing About Making Rocks (2026).


This episode was recorded live as part of the public programme for Flamm 2026, Cornwall’s contemporary art festival, in Bodmin in February 2026. Find all the information online, and in the first Instagram post: instagram.com/p/DUVHQ7YjKUQ/?img_index=1

Works from Bedrock, Liverpool Biennial 2025, curated by Marie-Anne McQuay, continue to travel through the UK. Isabel Nolan: Where you are, what we are, with others remains at Liverpool John Moores University.

You can also listen to Linda Lamignan and Amber Akanu on Art Against the World, the Liverpool Biennial podcast, presented by Vid Simoniti, and revisit the Biennial event in collaboration with EMPIRE LINES in September 2025.

Hear more from Sovay Berriman, Kaajal Modi, and Counterpoints Arts in the live episode from Dhaqan Collective’s House of Weaving Songs at the Eden Project in Cornwall in 2024: pod.link/1533637675/episode/MDhjZTY3MDQtNTkwYS00YTI0LWI1Y2YtZDdhODk1Y2QwZGZi


For more about b-side Festival 2024, read my article about Mohammad Barrangi in gowithYamo: gowithyamo.com/blog/mohammad-barrangi-b-side-festival


On plumbing and artistic practices, hear glass artist Chris Day in the live episode from I Am a Man and a Brother (2021-Now) at the V&A Wedgwood Collection in Stoke-on-Trent in 2025: pod.link/1533637675/episode/N2RiYjg1MjAtMmQzNS00NTRkLTlhZjEtYjE2MGI4Yjc0ODEz


Hear historian Corinne Fowler, with visual artist and researcher Ingrid Pollard, on copper and colonialism through their book, Our Island Stories: Country Walks Through Colonial Britain (2024): pod.link/1533637675/episode/9f4f72cb1624f1c5ee830c397993732e

Watch the full video conversation online, via Radical Ecology: vimeo.com/995929731

And find all the links in the first Instagram post: instagram.com/p/C8cyHX2I28


Hear artist ⁠Taloi Havini⁠, winner of Artes Mundi 10, on the connections between extractive industries in the Pacific Islands and Wales, via Habitat (2017) at Mostyn in Llandudno: pod.link/1533637675/episode/e30bd079e3b389a1d7e68f5e2937a797

PRODUCER: Jelena Sofronijevic.


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