How Did Todd Gabler Go From Civil Case to Building the Case Against Kouri Richins?

Kouri Richins' third most frequent phone contact in the months her husband died wasn't a friend, a colleague, or a family member. It was her housekeeper — a woman with a drug-related criminal history who was testing positive in drug court. Todd Gabler found that in the billing records before anyone with a badge did.

Then he pulled the phone records. Between January and May 2022, Kouri Richins was in near-constant communication with a woman named Carmen Lauber. Lauber was the family's housekeeper. She also had an extensive drug-related criminal history and was testing positive in drug court around the time Eric died. Gabler flagged it immediately and started investigating Lauber before the Sheriff's Office had identified her as relevant to the case.

From there, the scope of the investigation expanded in ways Gabler hadn't anticipated. Nearly 50 interviews. GPS tracking on multiple vehicles. An entire side of the family that wouldn't speak to him. And a growing body of evidence that was pulling a career defense investigator across the courtroom for the first time in his life. In Part 1 of this three-part sit-down, Gabler walks Tony through the beginning — how a civil assignment became the foundation of a criminal prosecution.

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Why Did Eric Richins Stay With Kouri Richins When He Knew She’d Kill Him?

Eric Richins wasn’t the only person living inside the world Kouri Richins built. His friends were in it. His family was in it. The systems that might have intervened were in it. Everyone around the Ri...

11 Jun 23min

Why Did Kouri Richins Call A Scripted Testimony Letter A Novel About A Mexican Prison?

Deputies found it during a medical episode. A six-page letter inside an LSAT prep book in Kouri Richins' jail cell. The letter scripted her brother's testimony. When they confronted her, she didn't de...

7 Jun 32min

How Did Kouri Richins Write A Grief Book While She Was The Reason Her Kids Were Grieving?

She wrote a children's book about grief. Went on TV to promote it. Talked about helping her boys cope with their dad's "unexpected" death. Hugged them on camera. Cried in interviews. Fourteen months o...

6 Jun 37min

Kouri Richins Told Her Sons to 'Never Apologize' — What Did She Mean?

The eye rolls came during the pain. Her children's statements. Eric's family's grief. The therapists describing what those boys endured. Kouri rolled her eyes, smirked, and mouthed objections through ...

5 Jun 17min

A Juror Felt Sorry for Kouri Richins — Until the Evidence Started

"At first, I was thinking that Kouri was definitely feeling trapped." That was a juror's first impression. By the verdict: "Like a statue." What happened in between is the subject of this episode.Thre...

4 Jun 17min

Why Couldn't Kouri Richins Stop — Even With Every Call Recorded?

From a jail cell. On recorded lines. Through smuggled letters hidden in LSAT prep books. Through phone calls where she read other inmates' mail to her mother. Through video calls where she held up doc...

3 Jun 14min

How Did Kouri Richins Write a Grief Book and Mean Every Word?

For fourteen months, Kouri Richins walked through a community as a grieving widow. She closed deals. She socialized. She published a children's book and went on television. Friends testified at trial ...

2 Jun 16min

How Did Kouri Richins Function for 17 Days After What She Did on Valentine's Day?

The Valentine's Day attempt failed. Eric survived. And over the next seventeen days, something happened inside Kouri Richins' psychology that separates this case from almost any other.She didn't stop....

1 Jun 20min