Episode 0: Introduction

Episode 0: Introduction

In this special preview, former SEC chair Gary Gensler and Nobel Prize-winning economist Simon Johnson discuss why they've decided to start a podcast and what you can expect from future episodes of Power and Consequences.

Subscribe to the Power and Consequences Substack for bonus thoughts on each week's topic: https://simonhrjohnson.substack.com/s/power-and-consequences

Economic Consequences of the Second Trump Administration, which Simon and Gary co-edited, can be found here.

Host bios:

Gary Gensler is Professor of the Practice of Global Economics and Management as well as of Finance at the MIT Sloan School of Management. Former chair of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, former chairman of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission, and former Under Secretary for Domestic Finance, U.S. Treasury Department. With broad experience in the private sector, advising political leadership, and running policymaking agencies, Gary has been teaching at MIT’s Sloan School of Management since 2017. Gary also coauthored a book presenting common-sense investing advice for everyday Americans, The Great Mutual Fund Trap, (Broadway Books, 2002).

Simon Johnson was chief economist at the International Monetary Fund in the run-up to the Global Financial Crisis (2007-08) and is the long-time head of the Global Economics and Management Group at MIT’s Sloan School of Management. Best selling author of 13 Bankers, Jump-Starting America, and Power and Progress. In 2024, for his work on “institutions and economic growth,” Simon was awarded the Nobel Prize in Economics. Simon also previously co-founded and ran a successful blog, BaselineScenario, which discussed developments in the global economic and financial system. In 2025, the British government appointed him as an “AI Ambassador”. At MIT, Simon co-directs the Stone Center for Inequality and Shaping the Future of Work.

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Episoder(20)

Episode 19: Who's Winning the Global AI Race?

Episode 19: Who's Winning the Global AI Race?

In the first episode of a two-part series, Simon and Gary once again dive into AI, asking which country currently has the advantage in the sector. What factors go into determining who's ahead? How do ...

6 Jul 42min

Episode 18: Happy 250th Birthday! What's Next...?

Episode 18: Happy 250th Birthday! What's Next...?

On the eve of America's semiquincentennial, Simon and Gary discuss three people who shaped the country's technological history, the progress made and setbacks faced on the long road to full inclusion ...

29 Jun 43min

Episode 17: Mega IPOs

Episode 17: Mega IPOs

Simon and Gary unpack key questions surrounding the recent SpaceX IPO and potential future IPOs from Anthropic and OpenAI: why these companies are choosing to go public, whether their success will com...

23 Jun 49min

Episode 16: The Business of Space

Episode 16: The Business of Space

Simon and Gary discuss the final frontier. How did the U.S. get so ahead on space launches? Has this success undermined the competitiveness of the sector? And what does the future hold?For bonus thoug...

15 Jun 43min

Episode 15: What Will Happen to Cuba?

Episode 15: What Will Happen to Cuba?

Simon and Gary tackle what's happening in Cuba, what guides the United States's policy decisions on this topic, and what the possible outcomes are for Cuba going forward.For bonus thoughts on each epi...

8 Jun 41min

Episode 14: To Do or Not To Do... Industrial Policy

Episode 14: To Do or Not To Do... Industrial Policy

Simon and Gary discuss the history of industrial policy in the US, why we've seen a new era of industrial policy in the last ten years, and how to ensure these policies don't go overboard.For bonus th...

1 Jun 47min

Episode 13: Can AI Behave Responsibly?

Episode 13: Can AI Behave Responsibly?

Simon and Gary take a deep dive into the issue of responsible AI usage, exploring what agentic AI may be capable of doing, how AI safety should be evaluated, and whether the ultimate perils lie with t...

25 Mai 47min

Episode 12: Big Challenges Facing the New Fed Chair

Episode 12: Big Challenges Facing the New Fed Chair

Newly confirmed Fed Chair Kevin Warsh will have to contend with a host of issues during his term. Simon and Gary discuss how these issues, which include AI, the desires of President Trump, and an exis...

18 Mai 50min

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