She Refused to Sign a Social Justice Pledge to Become a Therapist. They Kicked Her Out.

What is your therapist actually taught in graduate school, and what happens to a student who won’t go along with it?

Leslie Elliott Boyce entered a counseling master’s program to deepen her study of psychology and how to help people in emotional pain. What she found inside the classroom changed her view of the entire profession, and ended her path to becoming a licensed therapist.

In this conversation, she takes us through what she was asked to believe, what she was asked to say to clients, and what happened when she refused. Dr. Roger McFillin, who sat through his own version of this training two decades ago, and Tracy Thurman dig into why it’s happening, what it means for anyone sitting across from a therapist today, and what real healing actually requires.

About Leslie Elliot Boyce:
Leslie Elliott Boyce is a coach, consultant, and founder of The Radical Center, where she helps individuals and families navigate personal challenges, relationships, and life transitions. With a background in psychology, clinical mental health counseling education, and natural health, Leslie takes an unconventional approach to personal growth and well-being. Her work focuses on topics including identity, gender, relationships, medical trauma, and spiritual growth. A vocal critic of ideological influences in modern mental health practices, Leslie advocates for individual autonomy, critical thinking, and authentic human connection.

For More Info: https://theradicalcenterconsulting.com/

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Dr. Roger McFillin and Tracy Thurman host Radically Genuine, challenging the systems, institutions, and ideas shaping how we think, live, heal, and understand the world around us. From medicine and mental health to technology, spirituality, institutional power, and human sovereignty, Roger and Tracy question accepted narratives, challenge what others won’t, and pursue truth wherever it leads.

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(00:00) - Introduction
(01:08) - Meet Leslie Elliott Boyce
(10:20) - When Psychology Education Became Political
(27:52) - Race, Identity, and Counselor Training
(37:05) - Challenging the Narrative of Privilege
(38:23) - The Psychology of Microaggressions
(45:51) - Questioning the System Comes at a Cost
(49:56) - The Problems Inside Graduate Counseling Programs
(54:36) - When Therapy Becomes About Race Instead of Healing
(55:18) - How Political Division Creates More Prejudice
(01:14:44) - When Political Beliefs Determine Who Deserves Care
(01:16:09) - Forced Speech or Lose Your Degree
(01:17:47) - Filing a Grievance Against the University
(01:20:59) - The Consequences of Challenging Institutional Ideology
(01:23:14) - How Does Ideological Groupthink Spread?
(01:28:00) - Fear, Division, and Social Control
(01:36:37) - The Spiritual Consequences of Division
(01:57:40) - The Medicalization of Emotional Distress
(02:11:25) - Bureaucracy, Licensing, and Institutional Power
(02:28:29) - When Counseling Ethics Become Ideological
(02:30:12) - Walking Away From the System
(02:46:12) - What Are We Sacrificing for Convenience?

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