JSJ 392: The Murky Past and Misty Future of JavaScript with Douglas Crockford

JSJ 392: The Murky Past and Misty Future of JavaScript with Douglas Crockford

Episode SummaryDouglas is a language architect and helped with the development of JavaScript. He started working with JavaScript in 2000. He talks about his journey with the language, including his initial confusion and struggles, which led him to write his book JavaScript: The Good Parts.Douglas’ take on JavaScript is unique because he not only talks about what he likes, but what he doesn’t like. Charles and Douglas discuss some of the bad parts of JavaScript, many of which were mistakes because the language was designed and released in too little time. Other mistakes were copied intentionally from other languages because people are emotionally attached to the way things “have always been done”, even if there is a better way.Doug takes a minimalist approach to programming. They talk about his opinions on pairing back the standard library and bringing in what’s needed. Douglas believes that using every feature of the language in everything you make is going to get you into trouble. Charles and Douglas talk about how to identify what parts are useful and what parts are not.Douglas delves into some of the issues with the ‘this’ variable. He has experimented with getting rid of ‘this’ and found that it made things easier and programs smaller. More pointers on how to do functional programming can be found in his book How JavaScript Works Charles and Douglas talk about how he decided which parts were good and bad. Douglas talks about how automatic semicolon insertion and ++ programming are terrible, and his experiments with getting rid of them. He explains the origin of JS Lint. After all, most of our time is not spent coding, it’s spent debugging and maintaining, so there’s no point in optimizing keystrokes.Douglas talks about his experience on the ECMAScript development committee and developing JavaScript. He believes that the most important features in ES6 were modules and proper tail calls. They discuss whether or not progression or digression is occurring within JavaScript. Douglas disagrees with all the ‘clutter’ that is being added and the prevalent logical fallacy that if more complexity is added in the language then the program will be simpler. Charles asks Douglas about his plans for the future. His current priority is the next language. He talks about the things that JavaScript got right, but does not believe that it should not be the last language. He shares how he thinks that languages should progress. There should be a focus on security, and security should be factored into the language. Douglas is working on an implementation for a new language he calls Misty. He talks about where he sees Misty being implemented. He talks about his Frontend Masters course on functional programming and other projects he’s working on. The show concludes with Douglas talking about the importance of teaching history in programming. Panelists
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Partytown with Adam Bradley - JSJ 550

Partytown with Adam Bradley - JSJ 550

Today we talk with Adam Bradley, the Director of Technology at Builder.io. He previously worked at Ionix as a creator of Ionic Framework, a mobile UI interface builder for web applications, and StencilJS which powers Ionix. Currently he works on both Qwik and Partytown at Builder.io.In today’s episode we dive into Partytown, discussing the unique ways it improves website performance. When there are so many third-party scripts injected into the average website, you can quickly lose control of speed. We learn how Partytown addresses this with a remote web worker, and how it still gets the data it needs synchronously. SponsorsTop End DevsRaygun | Click here to get started on your free 14-day trialCoaching | Top End DevsLinksGitHub: BuilderIO/partytownGitHub: BuilderIO/qwikBuilder.ioRun Third-Party Scripts From A Web WorkerGitHub: Adam BradleyTwitter: @adamdbradleyPicksAdam- uvuAdam- @playwright/testCharles- Irish GaugeCharles - Book Club for developer books (coming soon)Charles - How to Stay Current Course (coming soon)Charles- JavaScript Remote Conference 2022Charles- ActiveCampaign - #1 Customer Experience Automation Platform - ActiveCampaignDan- TPAC 2022Dan - War in UkraineSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

20 Sep 20221h 16min

Qwik with Misko Hevery - JSJ 549

Qwik with Misko Hevery - JSJ 549

Today we talk with Misko Hevery about solving the loading speed issue for websites constructed using JavaScript frameworks. Such websites are often slow to load, which is detrimental to their ability so succeed. After 16 years at Google, where he created Angular, he now works on the Qwik framework at Builder.io, a headless visual CMS. We learn how Qwik dramatically improves page speed metrics through an innovative architecture that enables resumability instead of hydration. We talk about how this is implemented, and about how you can get started with it. SponsorsTop End DevsCoaching | Top End DevsLinksng-conf 2022Builder.io and Qwik - JSJ 540Core Web Vitals and Whatnot - JSJ 537JSJ 476: Understanding Search Engines and SEO (for devs) - Part Resumable Frameworks: | Miško Hevery | ng-conf 2022 WebinarFramework reimagined for the edge!Twitter: Miško Hevery PicksAJ- JULIAN SMITH - MalkAJ- webinstall.devAJ- Watch The Sandman | Netflix Official SiteCharles- JavaScript Remote Conference 2022Charles- HomeDan- Gentleman Bastard SeriesDan - War in UkraineMisko- Thinking, Fast and SlowSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

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Web Performance and the Google WordPress Team with Felix Arntz - JSJ 548

Web Performance and the Google WordPress Team with Felix Arntz - JSJ 548

Today we talk with Felix Arntz, a developer relations engineer at Google.  Hired on the Google WordPress team, and involved with the Sidekick plugin, we discuss some of the challenges and approaches of improving performance on WordPress sites, as well as other open source CMS’s. SponsorsTop End DevsRaygun | Click here to get started on your free 14-day trialCoaching | Top End DevsLinksCore PerformanceSlackWordPress + SlackTwitter: @DanShappirTwitter: @wonder95Twitter: @JSJabber- Top End DevsFelix ArntzTwitter: @felixarntzGitHub: felixarntzPicksAJ- Just Use An npm PackageAJ- Engineering FestivusAJ- Caddy 2 - The Ultimate Server with Automatic HTTPSAJ- webinstall.devDan- Watch Better Call Saul Season 6 Online | AMCDan- Web DirectionsDan - War in UkraineFelix- Prey (2022) - IMDbFelix - Man jumps out of plane at 25,000 ft without parachuteSteve- A New Vertical Farm Will Grow 3 Million Pounds of Mycelium a Year for Fungi-Based BaconSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

6 Sep 20221h 24min

Supply Chain Security with Stephen Chin - BONUS

Supply Chain Security with Stephen Chin - BONUS

There is no question that the volume, sophistication, and severity of software supply chain attacks is on the rise.  How do you navigate your supply chain security?  Stephen Chin joins the show today to discuss various strategies and action plans for how to best prevent and address these types of attacks. In this episode…Where do you start with supply chain security?Spotting attackers and preventionHow do you know who to trust?Dependency injections and malicious packages Network reliability and uptimePyrsia and JFrog as software toolsConnect with Stephen ChinTwitter: @steveonjavaLinksDevOps Tools for Java DevelopersThe Decentralized Package Network | Pyrsia.ioSoftware Supply Chain to Release Fast & Secure, Continuously | JFrogSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

2 Sep 202243min

Even More JavaScript Features You Should Avoid - JSJ 547

Even More JavaScript Features You Should Avoid - JSJ 547

Today’s episode is a continuation of the previous JavaScript Jabber Episode 543, where we discuss JS language features to avoid.  Do you agree with the list?  Today we talk about:for inforEachelsenullobject.createA named function using the arrow operator switchlabels SponsorsTop End DevsCoaching | Top End DevsPicksCharles- OrbisCharles- Diablo ImmortalCharles- Richard Paul EvansCharles- JavaScript Remote Conference 2022Charles- - Top End DevsDan- John Carmack: Doom, Quake, VR, AGI, Programming, Video Games, and RocketsDan - BuilderIO framework benchmark mitosisDan - War in UkraineSteve- James Webb Space Telescope Shows Big Bang Didn't Happen? Wait...Steve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

30 Aug 20221h 15min

Vue Courses, Top End Devs, and More... Oh, My! - JSJ 546

Vue Courses, Top End Devs, and More... Oh, My! - JSJ 546

Today Steve and Charles talk about the many updates and events coming to Top End Devs, from upcoming conferences to new courses and content.  Check out the conference lineup at https://topenddevs.com/conferences.  If you are interested in building courses or would like to speak at any of the conferences, contact Charles.  We also dive into a conversation about what it really means to be a 10x developer and a top 1% developer. SponsorsTop End DevsCoaching | Top End DevsLinksOverview - Nuxt 3 Essentials | Vue MasteryAtomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones- Podcast Playbook- Top End Devsvue/CHANGELOG.mdPicksCharles- QuiddlerCharles- Chart.jsCharle- Business Software and Services Reviews | G2Steve- JSON Creator Douglas Crockford Interview by EvroneSteve - Dad JokesSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

23 Aug 202248min

JavaScript and IoT with Nick Hehr and Peter Hoddie - JSJ 545

JavaScript and IoT with Nick Hehr and Peter Hoddie - JSJ 545

Steve, Dan and A.J talk with Nick Hehr and Peter Hoddie about using JavScript with IoT devices. They cover a wide range of topics, including the XS JavaScript Engine, the only complete ECMAScript 2018 engine optimized for embedded devices (created by Moddable), and even get into the nitty gritty of how it is built and how it works. They also cover TC53 - the standards committee for JS in embedded systems, a committee that Nick and Peter are part of. In picks, they get into a great discussion on home security systems and their various security issue, and of course, Steve brings the great dad jokes. SponsorsTop End DevsRaygun | Click here to get started on your free 14-day trialCoaching | Top End DevsLinksTC53Resuscitating IoT with JavaScript - Peter Hoddie & Lizzie Prader, Moddable - YouTubeECMA-419: The ECMAScript Embedded Systems API and J5e - Donovan Buck, BrandExtract - YouTubeHipsterBrownModdableTwitter: @hipsterbrownTwitter: @phoddiePicksAJ- GitHub - BeyondCodeBootcamp/jsdoc-typescript-starterAJ- Typing without TranspilationAJ- Eyeglasses Online | Eyewear for Everyone™ | Zenni OpticalAJ- Amazon.com. Spend less. Smile more.AJ- Oakley MX L Frame Adult Tear-Off Off-Road/Dirt Bike Motorcycle Eyewear AccessoriesNick -MicrocenterNick- Abode Home Security - #1 DIY Wireless Home Security SolutionNick-  Build With Matter | Smart Home Device SolutionPeter- The Extensible Web ManifestoPeter- Fanny Mendelssohn - WikipediaSteve-  Introducing multitasking to Arduino | Arduino BlogSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

16 Aug 20221h 38min

The Story of Mel with Tomer Lichtash and David Frankiel - JSJ 544

The Story of Mel with Tomer Lichtash and David Frankiel - JSJ 544

Today we have special guests Tomer Lichtash and David Frankiel, a web developer and programmer behind the epic hacker folklore project The Story of Mel, a comprehensive guide to The Story of Mel.   This story, which has survived through all the changes in the internet since its birth in 1983, and has morphed through all its iterations into something almost poetic in nature.  This allegory tells the story of the birth of of high-tech culture as we know it today, and creates some heated debate among our panelists as to the validity of its meanings.  Tomer and David tell some of the back story into their journey to discover if the story is a hoax, or if is truly real. SponsorsTop End DevsCoaching | Top End DevsLinksMel's Loop - A Comprehensive Guide to The Story of MelCreeds of Craftsmanship · Issue #18 · BeyondCodeBootcamp/beyondcodebootcampTwitter: @tomerlichtashtomerlichtash - OverviewPicksAJ- Form follows function - WikipediaAJ- dotGo 2015 - Rob Pike - Simplicity is ComplicatedAJ - The UnexplainedDan - Downturn in the Tech IndustryDan- The Thief, His Wife and the Canoe (TV Mini Series 2022) - IMDbDan - War in UkraineDavid- What is Windows Presentation Foundation - WPF .NETDavid - Nouran ZoharDavid - In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.Tomer - Net Pioneers 1.0Tomer- Post-Gogol World, by The Daniil KharmsSupport this podcast at — https://redcircle.com/javascript-jabber/donationsPrivacy & Opt-Out: https://redcircle.com/privacyBecome a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/javascript-jabber--6102064/support.

9 Aug 20221h 6min

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