The Terrible Deaths of Russell and Shirley Dermond

The death of Ellen Greenberg was initially ruled a homicide, but without warning or explanation, Doctor Marlon Osbourne changed the ruling to suicide. Ellen's parents have spent the last 14 years trying to have it changed back to homicide, or undetermined. The Greenberg's have two civil suits about the case, one headed for the state supreme court later this year, but on the first day of jury selection for the other case, a settlement is reached. Doctor Marlon Osbourne, who conducted the autopsy on Ellen Greenberg as the former assistant medical examiner with the ME's office, signed a sworn verification statement in which he says he now believes Ellen's manner of death should be designated as something other than suicide. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the case and breakdown how this change impacts the case today and in the future. Transcribe Highlights 00:00:00 Introduction 03:29.50 Dr. Osbourne changes ruling from homicide to suicide 07:23.79 The life of Ellen Greenberg 12:21.71 location of injuries 17:19.04 Joe talks about autopsy 22:22.18 Greenberg had active day, no issues 27:36.97 Classification of "manner of death" 32:45.96 Giving a statement to police 37:06.32 Steps in death investigation 42:48.71 Conclusion See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

5 Feb 41min

Best Friends Jennifer Duey, 20, and Michelle Xavier, 18, attended a birthday dinner for a family member and are last seen together around 10:15 p.m Saturday, February 1, 1986, at a convenience store. Just over two hours later Jennifer and Michelle are found dead on the side of the road, nude, their clothing hung on a barbed wire fence. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the crime scene and how DNA was used to get a conviction after 40 years as a cold case. In a shocking turn, after being convicted of the double homicide, David Misch sings "99 bottles of beer" during victim impact statements and sentencing Transcript Highlights 00:00.71 Introduction 01:29.45 Last Photo taken of victims 04:48.63 Joe Shares personal story of recent health issue 08:06.47 February 2, 1986, Jennifer and Michelle go to dinner party 10:50.46 Discussion of how victims came in contact with suspect 15:22.11 Jennifer and Michelle bodies found by person on motorcycle 20:06.70 Victims were nude, clothing hung on barbed wire fence 24:56.80 Jennifer killed by gunshot wounds 30:01.86 In rape cases, searching for forced sexual trauma 35:15.81 In 1986 DNA was known, but it wasn't until 2016 it was used to find suspect in this case 40:00.58 Convicted individuals acting out in court 46:01.90 ConclusionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

4 Feb 46min

The autopsy of Noah Presgrove is released and for the first time in the history of Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe is going to issue you a warning for what you are about to hear. Noah Presgrove is at a birthday, end of summer, labor day party with friends all weekend. But something happened Sunday night to cause Noah to leave the party by himself. He is found the next morning at 5:53am, alone, dead, on the side of a rural highway. He is naked except for a pair of shoes, but one of the shoes isn't his, it belongs to a guy asleep at the house where the party took place. The "friends" he has known all of his life aren't talking. His brother sees teeth scattered near his brother's body and pieces of chain. Who or What killed Noah Presgrove? Will the autopsy help answer the question? Transcript Highlights 00:00:08 Introduction: Growing up in rural area 00:03:10 Talk about List of Injuries 00:05:17 Discussion of group dynamics 00:09:12 Discussion of what happens to clothing 00:12:27 Talk about social media evidence 00:16:11 Discussion of internal injuries 00:20:26 Discussion of injuries cased by falling out of a truck 00:24:14 Talk about skull fractures 00:28:32 Discussion of brain fluid 00:32:52 Discussion of broke teeth 00:36:03 Talk about animals and body on road 00:37:52 Discussion of cervical injuries 00:40:00 Discussion of abrasions 00:41:47 Talk about being hit by car 00:43:59 Discussion of data 00:44:17 Conclusion; After the autopsy we still don’t have answers See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

30 Jan 44min

A family moves to the country to get away from the crime of the big city only to find that evil exists in small towns and big cities alike. A 17-year-old girl develops a close bond to a harmless older neighbor, but the harmless old man is really a wolf in sheep's clothing and when the 17-year-old goes missing the neighbor helps look as hard as anyone. As long as nobody comes to his house to look too close. For 173 days the girl is missing, her heartbroken parents don't realize she is only 100 feet away from their front door. Buried in a homemade box, just for her. Joseph Scott Morgan breaks down the case of the teen girl hidden away in a homemade coffin and how difficult it will be to get the evidence to determine what really caused her death. Dave Mack joins in on the search for facts, and Valerie Tindall. Transcript 00:01:02 Discussion of 173 days without knowing location of your child 00:02:26 Valerie Tindall, 17, and missing 00:03:29 Mother said Patrick Scott acted like jealous boyfriend 00:04:21 Discussion of age difference 00:06:55 Valerie Tindall is missing 00:10:00 Talk about Forensic Anthropology 00:11:28 Disturbed areas of soil in backyard 00:12:30 17-year-old girl bonds with 59-year-old man, odd 00:13:22 What does FBI mean to a case 00:14:32 The neighbor Valerie has “bond” with charged with lying to police 00:16:03 Discussion of providing false hope to lure out suspect 00:17:24 Investigators wonder if someone is helping her stay gone 00:18:29 Victim has been missing since June 00:22:24 Bright Orange fingernail polish Valerie Tindall was wearing 00:23:29 Taking down a structure, burning, why? 00:27:17 Talk about the VHS tapes found in box 00:29:11 Discussion of murder weapon, a belt 00:30:56 Suspect claims he is the victim? 00:32:29 Discussion about condition of the body 00:33:39 Why did the suspect dig holes in his property? 00:35:17 Talk about the story from the suspect does not make sense 00:36:35 Some evidence might have been lost See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

30 Jan 35min

At least 12 bodies have been pulled from "Lady Bird Lake" in Austin, Texas in the last 22 months. Some can be explained as deaths that happen on or near a lake, but not all. On this episode of Body Bags Joseph Scott Morgan will break down the difference between a regular death in a lake and a possible serial killer, while Dave Mack breaks down the stories behind the victims. Transcript Highlights00:16.18 Introduction about water and murder03:37.66 Discussion does Austin have a serial killer?08:13.12 Discussion what does "serial killer" do to an area13:22.11 Talk about other serial killers, were they really caught17:54.47 Talk about witnessing a death on the water22:03.17 Discussion of toxicology27:53.13 Discussion of victims32:38.32 Talk about water as a dumping ground36:26.16 Discussion of decomposition in water40:04.57 Talk about water flow47:42.83 Discussion about rumors over factConclusionSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

28 Jan 44min

OnlyFans and Instagram model, Courtney Tailor, is rich and famous. She is living in a luxury high-rise in Edgewater, Miami, Florida and has banked over $3 Million dollars in the two years leading up to the death of her boyfriend, Christian Obumseli.Her real name is Courtney Clenney and she is charged with second-degree murder with a deadly weapon in the death of Christian Obumseli, 27, in her high-rise Miami-area apartment on April 3, 2022. Clenney claims she killed Obumseli in self-defense. Joseph Scott Morgan takes an up-close look at recently released information about what happened that fateful night and provides new insight into the death of Christian Obumseli. Was it self-defense or murder? Transcript Highlights 00:00:00 Introduction of case - why would you throw your only weapon? 00:02:00 A single stab wound by a thrown knife 00:06:37 Courtney Clenney and boyfriend fought 00:10:56 Funny stuff about throwing knives 00:15:26 911 call, victim says "I'm going to die" 00:19:43 Clenney claims she through kitchen knife from 10 feet away 00:24:16 Discussion of laptop, text messages, email 00:28:26 The Love of Money 00:30:55 Courtney Clenney, drunk, approaches teen in parents neighborhood 00:33:23 Conclusion – portent of things to comeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

23 Jan 33min

In this episode of "Body Bags," we unravel the harrowing story of Shaye Groves, a woman consumed by her obsession with serial killers and ultimately implicated in the brutal murder of her boyfriend, Frankie Fitzgerald Delving into the chilling fascination that permeated her life and relationships, the hosts uncover the disturbing evidence that led to the gruesome crime. Hosts Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the challenges investigators face when encountering an unfamiliar crime scene and the unsettling environment they discover including a macabre collection of serial killer images and the couple's history of violent, videotaped sex acts. They discuss Shaye Groves' possible premeditation of the murder, her manipulation and blackmail of previous partners through recorded sex acts, and her meticulous execution of the crime, such as using bleach to clean up the scene. Shownotes: 00:20 - Intro to case. 02:10 - Dave Mack gives background and overview of case. 04:10 - What impact did having serial killer images in her home have on Shay Groves and her mindset? 05:25 - The disturbing nature of Shay Groves' obsession and how it relates to the crime and her life. 07:10 - Shay Groves and Frankie Fitzgerald's romantic relationship and Shaye's controlling nature. 09:25 - Challenges investigators face when entering an unfamiliar crime scene and disturbing evidence and how their first impressions can impact their investigation. 11:50 - The couple's history of violent sex acts captured on video and how this escalated. 14:00 - The use of bleach in morgue cleanups and how the smell of bleach can linger, connecting it to the crime scene. 15:10 - Possibility of Shea Groves planning the murder and the use of bleach to clean the crime scene. 19:50 - Shea's obsession with serial killers, dark imagery, and the types of knives used in the murder. 21:55 - JoScott talks about the differences between single-edged and double-edged knife wounds. 24:40 - The catastrophic loss of blood that led to Frankie's death and Shaye’s possible motives and methods during the attack. 26:40 - Determining if any wounds were inflicted post-mortem and whether the crime was a torture event or a dark fantasy acted out by Shaye. 28:54 - Outro.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

22 Jan 29min

Dylan Redwine is forced to spend Thanksgiving with his father in Colorado. He doesn't want to be there because he knows some things about his father, secret, disgusting things, and he just doesn't want to be around him. But due to his parent divorce he has to go. Dylan Redwine goes missing, his dad suggests a bear might have got him. It takes time, but in the end, Forensics will tell the entire story of what happened to Dylan Redwine.Join Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack as they break down a story that took years to finish and includes blood, sex, knives, and bones. Time Code Highlights. 00:01:40 Redwine Murder was one of the first Joseph Scott Morgan covered in media 00:04:00 Dylan must go to his father’s house in Colorado for Thanksgiving 00:05:08 Mark Redwine house burned down previously 00:07:03 Discussion of children of divorce, Dylan did not want to be with his father 00:08:20 Talk about pictures Dylan and his brother saw on their dad’s computer 00:09:30 Joe talks the information he was given to cover story on network show 00:11:03 Pictures of Mark Redwine in lingerie, makeup, eating out of diaper 00:13:09 Joe tells story of being embarrassed comparing it to how Mark Redwine was embarrassed his children found out about secret pictures 00:15:00 Discussion about the boys confronting their father over his pictures 00:16:50 Talk about Mark Redwine responding to Corey about the pictures 00:19:25 Joe talks about Mark Redwine being humiliated and angry 00:20:45 Redwine claims he went to store, Dylan was gone when he got back 00:21:35 Discussion about Corey Redwine being several years older than Dylan 00:22:45 Talk about forensics and how nothing is ever hidden 00:24:04 Joe talks about a dog finding blood in the home 00:26:05 Blood from Dylan would have to have been from recent visit 00:30:04 Joe talks about a murder case without a body 00:31:00 Both femurs of Dylan Redwine found 8 miles from Mark Redwine home 00:32:43 Bones found on a road could have been drug by an animal 00:34:14 Determining whether the bones were separated by human using tools 00:36:05 Talk about Mark Redwine mentioning something to a friend about blunt force trauma and they would need to find his head 00:37:45 Dylan Redwine skull found 00:39:00 No animals in the area that would drag remains up the mountain 00:40:10 Talk about surface deposition 00:41:05 Mark Redwine said Dylan may have been attacked by a bear. 00:43:50 What the skull tells investigators. Took several months to identify 00:45:12 Joe explains using sinus for identification 00:46:45 Skull fractures show blunt force trauma. Two linear marks consistent with a knife blade found on skull. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

21 Jan 46min