The Sovereign Rollup Thesis & Inevitability of Modular Tech Stacks | Mustafa Al-Bassam (Celestia), Preston Evans (Sovereign)

Today we are joined by Preston Evans and Mustafa Al-Bassam to discuss the sovereign rollup thesis. We discuss social vs technical sovereignty, the Sovereign SDK, why light clients are critical to scale, limitations of optimistic rollups, value accrual in a modular world and more! - - Timestamps: (00:00) Rollup Designs (05:40) Social Sovereignty vs Technical Sovereignty (09:58) Why Does the Rollup Debate Matter? (18:09) Limitations of the EVM (20:39) A Blockchains 3 Core Tasks (24:21) Thales (25:18) Security Guarantees & the Benefit for Users (32:21) Modular Inevitability & Breaking the Layer One Loop (42:34) Why Preston is Bearish on Optimistic Rollups (46:00) Value Accrual and Moats (53:40) Sovereign’s Alpha Release & Celestia’s Mainnet Incoming - - Follow Preston: https://twitter.com/prestonevans__ Follow Mustafa: https://twitter.com/musalbas Follow Jason: https://twitter.com/JasonYanowitz Follow Santi: https://twitter.com/santiagoroel Follow Empire: https://twitter.com/theempirepod Subscribe on YouTube: https://tinyurl.com/4fdhhb2j Subscribe on Apple: https://tinyurl.com/mv4frfv7 Subscribe on Spotify: https://tinyurl.com/wbaypprw Get top market insights and the latest in crypto news. Subscribe to Blockworks Daily Newsletter: https://blockworks.co/newsletter/ - - This episode is brought to you by Thales. Thales is an innovative digital options platform on Arbitrum and Optimism that gets you exposure to crypto assets in the simplest way possible. As simple as choosing UP or DOWN! Experience the simplicity and power of Thales by visiting https://thalesmarket.io/?mtm_campaign=blockworks today! - - Resources Celestia https://celestia.org/ https://twitter.com/CelestiaOrg Sovereign https://www.sovereign.xyz/ https://twitter.com/sovereign_labs - - Disclaimer: Nothing said on Empire is a recommendation to buy or sell securities or tokens. This podcast is for informational purposes only, and any views expressed by anyone on the show are solely our opinions, not financial advice. Santiago, Jason, and our guests may hold positions in the companies, funds, or projects discussed.