KetoFasting: The Dark Side of Fasting & Ketosis (+How To Use Cyclic Ketosis To Fix The Issues)
Boundless Life23 Mar 2019

KetoFasting: The Dark Side of Fasting & Ketosis (+How To Use Cyclic Ketosis To Fix The Issues)

From Dr. Joseph Mercola, my friend, multiple-time podcast guest, a guy who thinks way outside-the-box and seems to always be discovering some new cutting-edge way to enhance human health and longevity, and one of the world's foremost authorities on alternative health has just written a guide to using the principles of ketogenic eating, meal planning, and timing to treat disease, promote weight loss, and optimize health.

The new book is called "KetoFast: Rejuvenate Your Health with a Step-by-Step Guide to Timing Your Ketogenic Meals". In the book, he explores the profound health benefits that result when ketogenic living and well-planned fasting are combined. Topics include:

-How our food is making us sick and what we can do about it...

-The physiology and mechanisms of fasting, including stem cell activation...

-How the cyclical ketogenic diet--with fasting included--differs from the conventional keto diet...

-How fasting works and how safe it is for you...

-How regular one-day fasts support fat burning and detoxification while minimizing hunger and side effects...

-How to monitor your progress with lab tests...

-And much more...

During our discussion, you'll discover: -The fascinating history of fasting among different religions and cultures...8:25
  • Dr. Mercola's book was originally written to learn to optimize multiple day water fasting
  • Most religions integrate fasting into their practice (speaks to its efficacy throughout history)
  • It's one of the best ways to express care for your spirit, especially when combined with meditation, gratitude, solitude, etc.
  • Therapeutic fasting:
    • Calorie restriction to activate metabolic processes to catalyze the healing process
    • Fasting didn't become popular in the U.S. until the 1800's with the natural hygiene movement
    • Became more popular when Herbert Shelton popularized it in 1911
  • TrueNorth Health Center
-Autophagy, and why Dr. Mercola thinks of a fast as a "free stem cell transplant"...16:45
  • Different varieties of fasting:
    • Intermittent (the foundation)
    • You need more than intermittent to get the max effect of autophagy
    • Fasting mimicking diet, water diet
    • Hybrid of the two, minimize the harmful effects
  • Autophagy:
    • 3 types
      • Micro
      • Macro
      • Chaperone mediated
    • You activate autophagy with the keto fast
    • Dr. Mercola does not recommend a long-term water fast
    • Free stem cell transplant is what happens during the regeneration phase, after the autophagy phase
    • The magic happens during the refeed and strength rebuilding; similar to a growth hormone injection
    • Do a 42 hour fast, in which you eat 300-500 calories 2x per week
-How fasting affects intestinal stem cell function...24:20
  • Extended fasting helps reduce gut permeability by stimulating brain/gut pathways
  • Consider fasting before other treatments or supplements for repairing the gut
    • Certain supplements will inhibit autophagy: colostrum, B12
  • AMP-k and mTOR
    • It's your friend; The higher the better
    • A nutrient sensor
    • Puts your body in "repair mode"
    • See Saw: AMP-k up, mTOR down, vice versa
-What nutrients you need to optimize autophagy...34:08 -How ketones protect the brain excess hydrogen peroxide...46:00
  • Fats and carbs are fuel sources; broken down by enzymes
  • Oxygen receives electrons from the food you're digesting in the form of hydrogen (which is converted to water)
  • Most people are metabolically inflexible; can't burn much fat for fuel
  • Ketones increase Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide phosphate (nADPH)
-Why Dr. Mercola changed his mind about the power of water fasting as a metabolic intervention...50:55
  • We in the 21st century are exposed to chemical and industrial toxins not historically known to humans
  • Toxins are stored in our fat
  • When you fast, you release these toxins
  • Cause unpleasant side effects and symptoms
  • 2 phases:
    • Convert fat soluble to water soluble (not a problem)
    • Attach molecules to the toxin
  • You need frequent refeeds to fuel the process of eliminating the toxins and enhancing detox pathways
  • A keto fast (42 hours, 300-500 calories) 2x/week is far more powerful than an occasional multi-day water fast or even fast mimicking diet
-What Dr. Mercola views as the "dark side of fasting"...55:00
  • Detoxification impairment
  • Compliance: people just won't do it
  • How Dr. Mercola recommends Ben improve his own fasting strategy:
    • Ben takes essential amino acids for protein during extended fasts
    • Don't eat meat protein (branch chain amino acids)
    • Take collagen protein
  • Drawbacks to long-term ketosis
    • Requires significant calorie restriction
    • Women can develop thyroid impairment
    • You simply weren't designed to do it
    • Fasting primes your body for improvement; the real magic happens in the refeeds
-What is "keto fasting," and how cyclical ketosis addresses the above issues...1:00:13
  • You must be metabolically flexible
    • Eat in a 4-6 hour window per day for 4 weeks
  • Branch chain aminos: lucine, isoleucine, valine
    • Eat these on the refeed, not during the keto fast
    • Don't activate mTor along with autophagy
  • Cyclical approach:
    • Keto fast 2x/week
    • Every day intermittent fast
  • Strategies to deal with hunger or appetite cravings:
    • Vast majority of metabolically flexible people won't feel hungry
    • Coconut oil, MCT oil, aloe gel
    • Nicotine gum and sparkling water
-How sauna use supports a fasting protocol, an ideal sauna setup, and sauna do's and don't's...1:07:45 -And much more! Resources from this episode:

-My previous episodes with Dr. Mercola:

-KetoFast: Rejuvenate Your Health with a Step-by-Step Guide to Timing Your Ketogenic Meals

-Meta.org for research studies

-Ben's Switzerland healing retreat at Paracelsus

-The Complete Guide To Fasting by Jason Fung

-TrueNorth Health Center

-My interview with Dr. Satchin Panda

-SEED Probiotic blend

-ATP science

-Dr. Mercola’s “autophagy tea” before my nightly fast to also limit mTor activation and increase autophagy:

-Pomegranate Pulled Apart podcast from ATPScience

-HVMN Ketones

-"The Longevity Diet" by Dr. Valter Longo

-Kion Aminos

-Kettle & Fire Bone Broth

-Aloe Gel

-Lucy Nicotine gum

-Saunaspace sauna

-Near infrared bulbs

-Dr. Lawrence Wilson's book "Sauna Therapy For Detoxification & Healing"

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