How not to plan - Les Binet & Sarah Carter
Uncensored CMO15 Mar 2023

How not to plan - Les Binet & Sarah Carter

Les Binet and Sarah Carter are planning royalty. Starting out at the iconic BMP, the agency which evolved over time to become adam&eve today, they are the planners behind many famous campaigns. Not least John Lewis which lasted an impressive 14 years. A few years ago their popular myth busting column turned into the well known book ‘How Not to Plan’ taking conventional wisdom and turning it on its head. I catch up with the dynamic duo to pick their considerable brains on the topics they think marketers least understand.

Talking points from this episode:

  • The real godfather of effectiveness
  • How John Lewis changed Christmas
  • Les & Sarah pick a favourite ad
  • Why vignette ads are a cop out
  • What the John Lewis econometrics reveals about the campaign
  • Why you should make people feel something not show them feeling
  • Jon discovers the Long & the Short of it
  • The best way to really upset Les
  • That famous key visual
  • Can you ever achieve both long & short at the same time
  • Why consumers don’t give a s**t
  • How myth busting inspired the book
  • Being turned down by Marketing Week
  • Why there are more P’s than Promotion
  • How to involve planners early
  • The BMP Philosophy of planning
  • How not to get caught Short
  • Why 60% of campaign results are long term
  • How not to be consistent
  • Knowing what to change and when to change it
  • What advertisers can learn from designers
  • A little plug for Orlando’s fluent device work
  • It’s only advertising and no-one died
  • The case for animals and music
  • How not to make sense
  • How not to change your pricing
  • Why EPOS data switched spend from communication to price promotion
  • Digital attribution is the new price promotion
  • The more detailed the measurement the worse the marketing has got
  • Jon shares his only Effie case study
  • How not to be different
  • Why how you say something matters more than what you say
  • Les takes down the idea of loyalty
  • The one topic which wasn’t covered in the book
  • Finding things to get angry about

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Why we buy what we buy - Richard Shotton

Why we buy what we buy - Richard Shotton

Richard is author of the No.1 Marketing Book The Choice Factory which was the winner of BBH’s World Cup of Advertising books in 2018 beating some industry heavy-weights. Richard has 20 years of experience in Advertising planning, market research and behavioural science and last year made the big leap to set up a consultancy following the success of his book.In this episodeHow he ended up writing the best-selling marketing book of 2019Why behavioural science should matter to every marketerWhy rhyming phrases are not just more memorably but also more believable tooHow the decline in CMO & agency tenure is impacting on long term effectivenessHow our own experience impacts on our perceptions (the false consensus effect)The impact of social proof on sales and how to use itWhy you’ll spend less on a night out when paying cashHow making something easy is a huge competitive advantageWhy branded glasses make beer taste better and worth moreWhy a 4.5* review beats a 5* review (the pratfall effect)How many of the best ideas happened by accident but were Follow me:Twitter | @uncensoredCMOLinkedInGet in touch:Website | www.uncensoredcmo.comEmail | jon@uncensoredcmo.comFollow Richard:Twitter | @rshottonThe Choice Factory

16 Des 201950min

Uncensored CMO launches on 16th December

Uncensored CMO launches on 16th December

When I say CMO what do you think of? I know, for me, I think boardroom politics. I think carefully managed messages. I think slick presentations. But what I don't get is, I don't get an honest answer. I don't get to know what they really think. I don't get to know how have they got where they are today, and what has shaped and influenced their career. And that got me thinking, wouldn't it be great if we had a podcast that asked some of the tough questions that get to the heart of what's going on. One that takes you behind the scenes to see how it really works. That's where the idea of Uncensored CMO came from.I want to connect you to the best marketers on the planet. The people that have founded and run ad agencies, the people that do the most amazing research and the people that influence people through PR. I want to get to those people and find out how it actually works. Tell me the things that have gone well. Tell me the things that have failed. Let me give you a little flavour to season one. I'm gonna be meeting people like Adam Morgan who founded the whole idea of challenger brands. I asked him, "How do you make a great challenger brand?"The whole world of influencers, to me, was quite mysterious, but I went and met Arron Shepherd, he co-founded The Goat Agency, and I asked him about what a successful influencer campaign looks like.Or, someone like Ian Millner, global CEO and founder of Iris. What's it like running a big ad agency? How do you get great work and how do you measure great advertising? What does a modern brand today have to do to stand out and be successful?These are just some of the conversations I've been having, and there are loads more to come.So I really hope you'll listen and subscribe to The Uncensored CMO. I'm gonna be launching this podcast on 16th December so set a notification, remind yourself to subscribe.You can also follow me on Twitter, @UncensoredCMO. I look forward to having a great conversation with you.

5 Nov 20192min

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