Vishy Tirupattur: Implications of the Treasury Market Selloff

Vishy Tirupattur: Implications of the Treasury Market Selloff

The rise in Treasury yields, among other factors, has caused significantly tighter financial conditions. If these conditions slow growth in the fourth quarter, another rate hike this year seems unlikely.


----- Transcript -----

Welcome to Thoughts on the Market. I am Vishy Tirupattur, Morgan Stanley's Chief Fixed Income Strategist. Along with my colleagues, bringing you a variety of perspectives, I will be talking about the implications of the continued selloff in the Treasury market. It's Wednesday, October 25th at 10 a.m. in New York.


The grueling selloff in U.S. treasuries that began in the summer continues, most notably in the longer end of the yield curve. The ten year Treasury yield breached 5% on Monday, a level not seen since 2007 and an increase of about 125 basis points since the trough in July. Almost all of this move higher in the ten year yield has occurred in real yields.


In our view, the Treasury market has honed its reaction to incoming data on the hawkish reaction function that the FOMC communicated in its September meeting, which was subsequently reiterated by multiple Fed speakers.


Over the last several weeks, the asymmetry in the market's reaction to incoming data has been noteworthy. Upside surprises growth have brought up sharp increases in long end yields, while downside surprises inflation have met with muted rallies. To us, this means that for market participants, upside surprises to growth fuel doubts whether the pace of deceleration inflation is sustainable. In this context, it is no surprise that upside growth surprises have mattered more to long in yields than downside inflation surprises.


We've indeed seen a spate of upside surprises. The 336,000 new jobs in the September employment report were nearly double the Bloomberg survey of economists. Month over month changes in retail sales at 0.7% were more than double the consensus expectation of about 0.3%, and triple if you exclude auto sales. We saw similar upside surprises in industrial production, factory orders, building permits as well.


The rise in Treasury yields has further implications. The spike has contributed significantly to tighter financial conditions. As measured by Morgan Stanley Financial Conditions Index, conditions have tightened by the equivalent of about three 25 basis point hikes in the policy rate since the September FOMC meeting. As Morgan Stanley's Chief Global Economist Seth Carpenter highlighted, the implications of tighter financial conditions for growth and inflation depend critically on whether the tightening is caused by exogenous or endogenous factors. A persistent exogenous rise in rates should slow the economy, requiring the Fed to adjust the path of policy rates lower over time to offset the drag from higher rates. If instead, the higher rates on an endogenous reaction, reflecting a persistently stronger economy driven by more fiscal support, higher productivity or both, the Fed may not see the need to adjust its policy path lower.


We lean towards the formal explanation, than the latter. In our view, it is unlikely that the third quarter strength in growth will persist. In fact, third quarter consumer spending benefited from large one off expenditures. Combine that with the expiration of student loan moratorium, we think will weigh heavily on real personal consumption in the fourth quarter and by extension, on economic growth. Tighter financial conditions driven by higher long end yields will only add to this drag. Therefore, we expect incoming data in the fourth quarter to show decelerating growth, which we expect will lead to a reversal of the recent yield spikes driven by term premiums moving lower.


The subtle shift in the tone of Fed speak over the past two weeks suggests a similar interpretation, indicating a waning appetite for an additional hike this year in the wake of tighter financial conditions while retaining the optionality for future hikes. They think that the yield curve is doing the job of the Fed. This jibes with our view that there will be no further rate hikes this year. While our conviction on fourth quarter growth slowdown is strong, it will take time to become evident in the incoming data.


Thanks for listening. If you enjoyed the show, please leave us a review on Apple Podcasts and share Thoughts on the Market with a friend or colleague today.

Episoder(1509)

Michael Zezas: Trade Uncertainty and Corporate Confidence

Michael Zezas: Trade Uncertainty and Corporate Confidence

On today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy Michael Zezas examines how continued trade policy uncertainty is weighing on corporate confidence and spending. Is a turning point ahead?

31 Jul 20192min

Mike Wilson: Will the Fed Surprise on a Rate Cut?

Mike Wilson: Will the Fed Surprise on a Rate Cut?

On today’s podcast, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson gauges the reaction to a potential Wednesday Fed rate cut. Have markets already priced in any rally?

29 Jul 20193min

Special: Access & Opportunity Preview

Special: Access & Opportunity Preview

Morgan Stanley's Carla Harris talks with Charles Hudson, founder and Managing Partner at Precursor Ventures, a seed-stage investor bringing an institutional perspective to startups in the earliest stages of their development.

26 Jul 20194min

Michael Zezas: The Fed Rate Cut Debate for Bond Investors

Michael Zezas: The Fed Rate Cut Debate for Bond Investors

On today’s podcast, Head of Public Policy and Municipal Strategy Michael Zezas considers the debate between the consensus view of a potential 25 basis point Fed rate cut vs a 50 basis point cut.

24 Jul 20192min

Mike Wilson: Weighing a Potential Fed Rate Cut

Mike Wilson: Weighing a Potential Fed Rate Cut

On today’s podcast, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson says what matters for markets now isn't how much the Fed or other central banks could cut—but why they would cut.

22 Jul 20193min

Andrew Sheets: 3 Consensus Views Worth Questioning

Andrew Sheets: 3 Consensus Views Worth Questioning

On today’s podcast, Chief Cross-asset Strategist Andrew Sheets digs into three key debates around central bank policy expectations, valuations and investor sentiment.

19 Jul 20194min

Michael Zezas: 2020 Election: How Likely Is Medicare-for-All?

Michael Zezas: 2020 Election: How Likely Is Medicare-for-All?

On today’s podcast, Head of U.S. Public Policy research Michael Zezas asks “Would a Democratic presidential win mean the end of the road for private health care insurance?

17 Jul 20192min

Mike Wilson: For the S&P 500, Breaking Out Is Hard to Do

Mike Wilson: For the S&P 500, Breaking Out Is Hard to Do

On today’s podcast, Chief Investment Officer Mike Wilson says a sustained breakout above 3,000 has eluded the S&P 500. Will the Fed’s potential rate cut be the catalyst?

15 Jul 20194min

Populært innen Business og økonomi

stopp-verden
dine-penger-pengeradet
e24-podden
rss-penger-polser-og-politikk
lydartikler-fra-aftenposten
rss-borsmorgen-okonominyhetene
kommentarer-fra-aftenposten
rss-vass-knepp-show
pengepodden-2
livet-pa-veien-med-jan-erik-larssen
finansredaksjonen
morgenkaffen-med-finansavisen
tid-er-penger-en-podcast-med-peter-warren
utbytte
okonomiamatorene
stormkast-med-valebrokk-stordalen
rss-rettssikkerhet-bak-fasaden-pa-rettsstaten-norge-en-podcast-av-sonia-loinsworth
rss-sunn-okonomi
lederpodden
arcticpodden