Luisa and Keiran on free will, and the consequences of never feeling enduring guilt or shame

Luisa and Keiran on free will, and the consequences of never feeling enduring guilt or shame

In this episode from our second show, 80k After Hours, Luisa Rodriguez and Keiran Harris chat about the consequences of letting go of enduring guilt, shame, anger, and pride.

Links to learn more, highlights, and full transcript.

They cover:

  • Keiran’s views on free will, and how he came to hold them
  • What it’s like not experiencing sustained guilt, shame, and anger
  • Whether Luisa would become a worse person if she felt less guilt and shame — specifically whether she’d work fewer hours, or donate less money, or become a worse friend
  • Whether giving up guilt and shame also means giving up pride
  • The implications for love
  • The neurological condition ‘Jerk Syndrome’
  • And some practical advice on feeling less guilt, shame, and anger

Who this episode is for:

  • People sympathetic to the idea that free will is an illusion
  • People who experience tons of guilt, shame, or anger
  • People worried about what would happen if they stopped feeling tonnes of guilt, shame, or anger

Who this episode isn’t for:

  • People strongly in favour of retributive justice
  • Philosophers who can’t stand random non-philosophers talking about philosophy
  • Non-philosophers who can’t stand random non-philosophers talking about philosophy

Chapters:

  • Cold open (00:00:00)
  • Luisa's intro (00:01:16)
  • The chat begins (00:03:15)
  • Keiran's origin story (00:06:30)
  • Charles Whitman (00:11:00)
  • Luisa's origin story (00:16:41)
  • It's unlucky to be a bad person (00:19:57)
  • Doubts about whether free will is an illusion (00:23:09)
  • Acting this way just for other people (00:34:57)
  • Feeling shame over not working enough (00:37:26)
  • First person / third person distinction (00:39:42)
  • Would Luisa become a worse person if she felt less guilt? (00:44:09)
  • Feeling bad about not being a different person (00:48:18)
  • Would Luisa donate less money? (00:55:14)
  • Would Luisa become a worse friend? (01:01:07)
  • Pride (01:08:02)
  • Love (01:15:35)
  • Bears and hurricanes (01:19:53)
  • Jerk Syndrome (01:24:24)
  • Keiran's outro (01:34:47)

Get more episodes like this by subscribing to our more experimental podcast on the world’s most pressing problems and how to solve them: type "80k After Hours" into your podcasting app.

Producer: Keiran Harris
Audio mastering: Milo McGuire
Transcriptions: Katy Moore

Episoder(326)

#140 – Bear Braumoeller on the case that war isn't in decline

#140 – Bear Braumoeller on the case that war isn't in decline

Is war in long-term decline? Steven Pinker's The Better Angels of Our Nature brought this previously obscure academic question to the centre of public debate, and pointed to rates of death in war to a...

8 Nov 20222h 47min

#139 – Alan Hájek on puzzles and paradoxes in probability and expected value

#139 – Alan Hájek on puzzles and paradoxes in probability and expected value

A casino offers you a game. A coin will be tossed. If it comes up heads on the first flip you win $2. If it comes up on the second flip you win $4. If it comes up on the third you win $8, the fourth y...

28 Okt 20223h 38min

Preventing an AI-related catastrophe (Article)

Preventing an AI-related catastrophe (Article)

Today’s release is a professional reading of our new problem profile on preventing an AI-related catastrophe, written by Benjamin Hilton. We expect that there will be substantial progress in AI in t...

14 Okt 20222h 24min

#138 – Sharon Hewitt Rawlette on why pleasure and pain are the only things that intrinsically matter

#138 – Sharon Hewitt Rawlette on why pleasure and pain are the only things that intrinsically matter

What in the world is intrinsically good — good in itself even if it has no other effects? Over the millennia, people have offered many answers: joy, justice, equality, accomplishment, loving god, wisd...

30 Sep 20222h 24min

#137 – Andreas Mogensen on whether effective altruism is just for consequentialists

#137 – Andreas Mogensen on whether effective altruism is just for consequentialists

Effective altruism, in a slogan, aims to 'do the most good.' Utilitarianism, in a slogan, says we should act to 'produce the greatest good for the greatest number.' It's clear enough why utilitarians ...

8 Sep 20222h 21min

#136 – Will MacAskill on what we owe the future

#136 – Will MacAskill on what we owe the future

People who exist in the future deserve some degree of moral consideration.The future could be very big, very long, and/or very good.We can reasonably hope to influence whether people in the future exi...

15 Aug 20222h 54min

#135 – Samuel Charap on key lessons from five months of war in Ukraine

#135 – Samuel Charap on key lessons from five months of war in Ukraine

After a frenetic level of commentary during February and March, the war in Ukraine has faded into the background of our news coverage. But with the benefit of time we're in a much stronger position to...

8 Aug 202254min

#134 – Ian Morris on what big-picture history teaches us

#134 – Ian Morris on what big-picture history teaches us

Wind back 1,000 years and the moral landscape looks very different to today. Most farming societies thought slavery was natural and unobjectionable, premarital sex was an abomination, women should obe...

22 Jul 20223h 41min

Populært innen Fakta

fastlegen
dine-penger-pengeradet
relasjonspodden-med-dora-thorhallsdottir-kjersti-idem
rss-strid-de-norske-borgerkrigene
foreldreradet
treningspodden
rss-sunn-okonomi
jakt-og-fiskepodden
takk-og-lov-med-anine-kierulf
sinnsyn
merry-quizmas
gravid-uke-for-uke
rss-kunsten-a-leve
rss-kull
hagespiren-podcast
hverdagspsyken
rss-var-forste-kaffe
fryktlos
rss-mann-i-krise-med-sagen
smart-forklart