Joscha Bach and Ben Goertzel: When Will AI Become Conscious?

Joscha Bach and Ben Goertzel: When Will AI Become Conscious?

Joscha Bach and Ben Goertzel explore cognitive architectures, the nature of consciousness, and the prospects for artificial general intelligence. Their conversation weaves through language paradoxes, Zen concepts, and the limits of large language models as steps toward AGI.- 00:00:00 - Introduction- 00:02:23 - Computation vs Awareness- 00:06:11 - The paradox of language and self-contradiction- 00:10:05 - The metaphysical categories of Charles Peirce- 00:13:00 - Zen Buddhism's category of zero- 00:14:18 - Carl Jung's interpretation of four- 00:21:22 - Language as "representation"- 00:28:48 - Computational reality vs AGI- 00:33:06 - Consciousness in particles- 00:44:18 - Anesthesia and consciousness: Joscha's personal perspective- 00:54:36 - Levels of consciousness levels (panpsychism vs functionalism)- 00:56:23 - Deep neural nets & LLMs as steps backward from AGI?- 01:05:04 - Emergent properties of LLMs- 01:12:26 - Turing-completeness and its implications- 01:15:08 - OpenAI's bold claims challenged- 01:24:24 - Future of AGI- 01:31:58 - Intelligent species after human extinction- 01:36:33 - Emergence of a cosmic mind- 01:43:56 - The timeline to AGI development- 01:52:16 - The physics of immortality- 01:54:00 - Critique of Integrated Information Theory (pseudoscience?)SPONSORS:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal (early access to ad-free audio episodes!)- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast...- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b9...- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeveryt...- TOE Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerchRESOURCES:- YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw7omaQ8SgA- OpenCog (Ben's Ai company): https://opencog.org- SingularityNET (Ben's Decentralized Ai company): https://singularitynet.io- Podcast w/ Joscha Bach on TOE: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI- Podcast w/ Ben Goertzel on TOE: https://youtu.be/27zHyw_oHSI- Podcast w/ Michael Levin and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/kgMFnfB5E_A- Podcast w/ John Vervaeke and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/rK7ux_JhHM4- Podcast w/ Donald Hoffman and Joscha on TOE: https://youtu.be/bhSlYfVtgww Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. SPONSOR: I subscribe to The Economist for their science and tech coverage. As a TOE listener, get 35% off! No other podcast has this: https://economist.com/TOE FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Renato Renner: Quantum Mechanics Contains Its Own Contradictions

Renato Renner: Quantum Mechanics Contains Its Own Contradictions

Renato Renner (ETH Zurich) proves quantum mechanics contains logical contradictions that undermine its foundations.Quantum theory may be the most successful theory in history — and Renato Renner has p...

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Jenny Wagner: What If We've Been Wrong About Dark Matter For Decades?

Jenny Wagner: What If We've Been Wrong About Dark Matter For Decades?

Jenny Wagner examines the inverse problem: how to map dark matter without assuming what it is.What if 85% of the universe's matter isn't missing — it's just that our models were never clean enough to ...

26 Mar 2h 38min

Curt Jaimungal: Why Write?

Curt Jaimungal: Why Write?

Curt Jaimungal argues writing reveals something deeper than output—what LLMs expose about human purpose.Curt Jaimungal argues that in an age where LLMs can produce beautiful prose on demand, we've dis...

19 Mar 6min

JB Manchak: Time Travel in Physics and What We Still Don't Know

JB Manchak: Time Travel in Physics and What We Still Don't Know

Curt Jaimungal examines why physicists still can't resolve whether time travel is possible or forbidden.What if you gathered every possible piece of evidence about the universe — every observation, pa...

16 Mar 2h 17min

Curt Jaimungal: General Relativity Is NOT Deterministic (Here's the Proof)

Curt Jaimungal: General Relativity Is NOT Deterministic (Here's the Proof)

Many people think physics / reality is either guided by a probabilistic distribution or is “determined.” Actually, there’s a third, far‐more unsettling option. Curt Jaimungal explains why Einstein’s g...

12 Mar 21min

John Donoghue: We Have Already Quantized Gravity (And It Works)

John Donoghue: We Have Already Quantized Gravity (And It Works)

Professor John Donoghue explains why quantum physics and gravity actually work perfectly together. He tackles quadratic gravity, effective field theory, and random dynamics, arguing that grand unifica...

11 Mar 1h 6min

Nir Lahav: A Relativistic Theory of Consciousness from Spacetime

Nir Lahav: A Relativistic Theory of Consciousness from Spacetime

A physicist proposes a relativistic theory of consciousness based on spacetime geometry and information.Physicist Nir Lahav joins me to argue that the hard problem isn't hard so much as confused—a con...

5 Mar 3h 8min

Curt Jaimungal: Why Neil deGrasse Tyson Gets "Belief" Wrong

Curt Jaimungal: Why Neil deGrasse Tyson Gets "Belief" Wrong

Curt Jaimungal argues that astrophysicists like Neil deGrasse Tyson and spiritual gurus Deepak Chopra and Thomas Campbell can’t logically claim they don’t hold beliefs. This “Theories of Everything” w...

2 Mar 16min

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