856: How to Get Traction Before Building Your Product

856: How to Get Traction Before Building Your Product

Today's guest owns and runs 7 different companies including a software development company, Paladin. You will discover how to gain proof of concept and build an MVP before spending a dime in product development.

Dave Chesson is the creator of Kindlepreneur.com, a website devoted to teaching advanced book Marketing which even Amazon KDP acknowledge as one of the best by telling users to “Gain insight from Kindlepreneur on how you can optimize marketing for your books.”

He’s also the founder of Publisher Rocket, a book marketing software, and Atticus.io, a book writing and formatting software.

Topics covered:
- How he first started
- How to market before building the product
- How to get outside traffic (including his favorite tips)
- Why he decided to build a Progressive Web App
- Partnership tips that led him to running 7 different companies

Dave Chesson is the Founder at Kindlepreneur.com and Co-Founder at Atticus.io

Show Mentions

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From $500 Budgets to 6-Figure Wins: Influencer Marketing for Apps

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The Playbook to Profitable Web-to-App Funnels

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7 Jun 1h 6min

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