Why You Need *Legal* Kryptonite (& Why ChatGBT Can't Give it To You)

Why You Need *Legal* Kryptonite (& Why ChatGBT Can't Give it To You)

Scaling a CPG brand isn’t just about great products and standout branding—it’s also about navigating a legal maze that can come with fast business growth, in many different guises.
In this episode of Brand Growth Heroes, Fiona Fitz sits down with Phil Hails-Smith and Paul Chiappe, managing partners at corporate law firm Joelson, to cover the legal essentials every CPG founder needs to know.
With over 30 years of experience supporting some of the fastest-growing CPG brands - clients like Little Moons, Trip, Eat Natural, Bear Graze and Pulsin - Joelson is also famous for advising the innocent founders in their landmark sale to Coca-Cola.

From intellectual property and contracts to regulatory compliance and international expansion, we explain how the right legal partners can protect your brand while unlocking new opportunities. We also chat about:

  • The biggest legal pitfalls CPG founders face (and how to avoid them)
  • Why contracts, IP, and compliance are make-or-break for scaling
  • How a great legal team can help you negotiate better deals and partnerships Real-world examples of legal strategies that fuel business growth.

We're also thrilled to announce that Joelson is now the official sponsor of Brand Growth Heroes, continuing their commitment to empowering founders with the knowledge and legal support they need to scale successfully.

So tune in to learn why legal expertise isn’t just about risk mitigation—it’s can actually be a strategic weapon for scaling smarter and faster, if you're smart!

Useful Links:

Joelson website

Joelson LinkedIn

Paul Chiappe LinkedIn

Phil Hails-Smith LinkedIn

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Thanks to our Sound Engineer, Gyp Buggane, Ballagroove.com and podcast producer/content creator, Kathryn Watts, Social KEWS.


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Thanks to Brand Growth Heroes’ podcast sponsor - Joelson, the commercial law firm

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If you're a founder, you already know how much of your energy goes into building the perfect product, creating standout branding and connecting with your consumers.

But don’t forget that scaling a CPG business also comes with a maze of legal complexities that can make or break your business journey. From contracts, term sheets and regulatory compliance to protecting your brand's intellectual property as you expand, it's essential to get it right.

And that starts with the right legal partner. With long term relationships with clients like Little Moons, Trip, Eat Natural, Bear Graze and Pulsin, Joelson is also famous for advising the innocent founders in their landmark sale to Coca-Cola!

Not many law firms are also BCorps, nor do they specialise in helping founders navigate the legal challenges of scaling without stifling the creativity and momentum that got you here in the first place.
Finally, as an almost all-female team here at BGH, we're especially impressed by Joelson's commitment to championing female founders in CPG.

If you'd like to get in touch to find out more, why don't you drop them a line on hello@joelsonlaw.com!
Joelson - we’re delighted to have you on board.

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