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Today Jon talks with Eugenia Zalis, CMO for one of the most iconic sweet brands in the world, Oreo. We talk about their "stay playful" positioning, incredible brand collaborations (with the likes of Coca-Cola and Post Malone) and some of the interesting innovations the brand has worked on.Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:46 - Eugenia’s marketing journey01:33 - What can we learn from the Unilever approach to marketing?02:27 - How Dove turned into the brand it is today05:42 - How Eugenia started with Oreo06:33 - The “stay playful” positioning09:49 - The best way to eat an Oreo cookie11:08 - Managing a 110 year old brand12:14 - The Oreo playbook for marketing in different regions15:18 - Oreo’s collab with Coca-Cola18:49 - Oreo’s approach to innovation21:14 - System1 testing on Oreo innovations23:40 - Innovations from around the world25:23 - The surprising Coca-Cola collaboration25:52 - Oreo’s SuperBowl ad in 202428:34 - Winning a Cannes Lion for a tweet30:34 - Why is humour not used more35:37 - Oreo x Post Malone collab38:07 - Creative process for collabs39:02 - How to lead a $4.5b organisation43:57 - Advice to aspiring CMOs

19 Mar 202547min

Cadillac is an iconic American brand who are navigating the shift to electrification in the automotive industry and have partnered up with 72andSunny to launch their brand new campaign “Let’s Take the Cadillac. So today, Melissa Grady Dias, CMO of Cadillac, and Marianne Malina, President of 72andSunny join Jon to talk about working with a new agency and launching their first campaign together.Timestamps00:00 - Intro03:53 - Marianne’s background06:49 - How to manage a brand like Cadillac08:34 - How EV’s are changing the industry13:53 - How do you change your marketing for EVs15:08 - Insights and inception of “Let’s Take the Cadillac”17:56 - Developing the “Let’s Take the Cadillac” campaign21:41 - How to launch a new car23:39 - Building the campaign for different formats25:42 - 72andSunny and Cadillac’s first campaign together28:11 - Challenging the conformity in car advertising30:48 - Why brand is so important for car purchasing32:31 - Leading the marketing agenda inside a big org like General Motors34:24 - In car Cadillac Car-aoke35:22 - Melissa’s song36:13 - Coolest feature about Escalade IQ38:37 - Creating a luxury experience39:27 - Choosing your car as CMO of Cadillac40:57 - Creating a premium vehicle42:53 - Thoughts on the Escalade IQ

12 Mar 202545min

Rob Mayhew joins Jon for bonus episode, talking about his big move to New York City, becoming a full-time content creator and how brands can work with creators like him effectively.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:39 - Why Rob moved to NYC04:20 - Rob’s new YouTube show05:47 - London vs New York for marketers08:00 - Rob’s approach to content in 202511:00 - Rob’s view on the future of the social platforms14:17 - How System1’s ad testing works17:27 - Rob’s funniest posts on LinkedIn18:46 - Rob’s process for making content20:16 - Any trends that are different in the US than UK21:43 - Thoughts on the creator economy23:09 - The Poppi vending machine backlash24:22 - How does Rob plan his content?25:18 - Different audiences for TikTok and LinkedIn25:38 - Rory Sutherland’s TikTok26:48 - Power of B2B content creation

10 Mar 202532min

This episode is a QSR masterclass. Ken Muench is the CMO of Yum! brands, who own Taco Bell, KFC and Pizza Hut. I speak to Ken about how he started the agency that got acquired by Yum! (The Collider Lab) and his journey to being the CMO of such a large group of brands. We also talk about how all CMOs within Yum! are encouraged to swing big to make impactful campaigns and drive innovation within their brands. Ken is also the co-author of "R.E.D Marketing: The Three Ingredients of Leading Brands" which breaks down why Relevance, Ease and Distinctiveness are essential for QSR brands.Timestamps:00:00 - Intro01:07 - Ken’s career background03:44 - In-house vs agency creative06:39 - Taking bigger swings07:46 - The secret to the success of The Collider Lab12:06 - Food is fuel vs experience14:42 - Why Ken wrote the book: R.E.D Marketing17:29 - The R.E.D framework20:51 - How brands grow23:58 - Why “ease” is an untapped opportunity for marketers28:26 - The power of distinctive assets30:31 - Changing the Taco Bell strapline to Live Mas!32:52 - How Yum! brands approach innovation37:14 - How Yum! brands innovation scored41:29 - What happens when innovation goes wrong44:10 - Saucy by KFC47:47 - The innovators dilemma49:44 - Taking chances: KFC FCK campaign51:48 - Ken’s favourite moments as Yum! CMO53:01 - How to be a successful CMO at such a large brand55:44 - What makes a great CMO

26 Feb 20251h 5min

Marcel Marcondes is the CMO of AB InBev, who run the largest portfolio of beer brands in the world. Stella Artois, Corona, Michelob Ultra and Budweiser are all under the marketing leadership of Marcel. Through creativity and consistency, AB InBev have produced some of the most effective campaigns of the past few years, often topping out the System1 charts. This has led to Marcel and his team to win some incredible awards, including WFA marketer of the year (Marcel) and most effective marketer of the year by the Effies (AB InBev).Timestamps00:00 - Intro00:48 - Marcel’s journey to running the biggest portfolio in the world03:51 - The global beer brands Marcel oversees04:27 - How to manage such a large portfolio of brands07:04 - Being the most effective marketing team for the past 3 years09:39 - The Olympics partnership13:08 - How important is creativity to deliver effectiveness16:35 - How to demonstrate the power of marketing internally18:10 - Why campaign consistency is so important for AB InBev21:25 - The most effective ad by AB InBev22:39 - Having 4 brands with Super Bowl ads24:53 - Stella Artois 2025 Super Bowl ad with David Beckham30:20 - Michelob Ultra at Super Bowl33:29 - Executing a campaign across platforms36:18 - The relationship with creative agencies40:07 - Marcel’s advice to CMOs

19 Feb 202542min

I think one of the biggest problems facing us today is the amount of distraction in our lives. Social media feeds, unnecessary meetings, huge inboxes full of emails you didn't really need. All these things are grabbing our attention and taking us away from doing what we're supposed to be doing.In this episode I'm talking to Nir Eyal, who's the author of a brilliant book called Indistractable, which is all about how we can reclaim our attention to focus our energy around the things that really matter. Now, as marketers, we can have a massive impact on our brands and our business, if only we can focus our time and effort on the right things. So Nir is uncovering all the tips and tricks for how to do that and how to make sure you're more productive and less distracted.Timestamps:00:00 Intro05:12 What is the source of distraction07:06 How to deal with the internal triggers12:50 Turning your values into time 18:14 Multi channel multitasking20:06 Why we need to change meeting culture26:20 Building a culture of indistraction in an organization32:20 Imposter syndrome34:53 Our perception of our quality of sleep38:03 Luck is a belief set42:12 Marketers are bad judges of marketing44:06 Why successful people get more successful

17 Feb 202547min

The Super Bowl is the biggest advertising event of the year, with the biggest brands in the world flexing their advertising muscles (and budgets). A new entrant to the Super Bowl in 2024 was Pfizer, and they're back again this year with an ad that has blown the socks off the Pharma category. Their big game ad "Knock Out", scored 4.4 stars in System1 testing, also making it one of the best ads overall. I speak with Pfizer CMO, Susan Rienow about what it takes to create such a successful ad in the most competitive environment.Timestamps00:00 - Intro01:20 - Susan’s successful career so far03:19 - What Pfizer does and their mission04:21 - The Covid vaccine rollout06:29 - The role of insights for making business decisions07:36 - Dealing with the complexities of different audiences10:12 - Managing the impact of fair balance in advertising14:51 - The role of Pfizer’s advertising17:04 - Why have Pfizer gone all in with a Super Bowl ad20:12 - The Pfizer Super Bowl ad in 202525:20 - What role does testing play for creating an effective ad33:31 - The role of testing giving confidence to the board37:39 - How tiny changes can make such a big difference39:15 - How to evaluate the impact of a Super Bowl ad41:22 - What makes a great CMO46:40 - Advice Susan would give to young marketers

10 Feb 202551min