Cloud Security Podcast13 Mar 2025

CNAPPs & CSPMs don’t tell the full cloud security story

In this episode we speak to Nick Jones, an expert in offensive cloud security and Head of Research at WithSecure to expose the biggest security gaps in cloud environments and why CNAPPs and CSPMs alone are not enough often.

How cloud pentesting differs from traditional pentesting
Why CSPMs & CNAPPs don’t tell the full cloud security story
The biggest cloud attack paths—identity, IAM users, and CI/CD
Why “misconfigurations vs vulnerabilities” is the wrong debate
How organizations should prepare for a cloud pentest

With real-world examples from red team engagements and cloud security research, Nick shares insider knowledge on how attackers target AWS, Azure, and Kubernetes environments—and what security teams can do to stop them.

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Questions asked:

(00:00) Introduction

(02:40) A bit about Nick Jones

(03:56) How has Cloud Security Evolved?

(05:52) Why do we need pentesting in Cloud Security?

(08:09) Misconfiguration vs Vulnerabilities

(11:04) Cloud Pentesting in Different Environments

(17:05) Impact of Kubernetes Adoption on Offensive Cloud Security

(20:19) Planning for a Cloud Pentest

(29:04) Common Attacks Paths in Cloud

(33:05) Mitigating Common Risk in Cloud

(35:14) What is Detection as Code?

(41:17) Skills for Cloud Pentesting

(45:28) Fun Sections

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