Switched on Pop22 Apr 2025

Generation Taylor: Gracie, Maisie, Phoebe (with Jensen McRae)

Taylor Swift isn't just a world-conquering pop star at the top of her game, her approach to songwriting has also proven massively influential for an up-and-coming generation of singer-songwriters. Gracie Abrams, Maisie Peters, and Phoebe Bridgers—all of whom opened for Swift during her Eras Tour—each owe a debt to Swift's hyperspecific lyrics, minimal melodies, and bombastic bridges. We break down the key aspects of Swift's songcraft and how we can hear them manifest in the work of her young acolytes, and we speak to another burgeoning artist, the brilliant Jensen McRae, to learn firsthand why Swift's style has been so resonant. Songs Discussed Taylor Swift - All Too Well (10 Minute Version) (Taylor's Version) (From The Vault) Gracie Abrams - That’s So True Maisie Peters - There It Goes Taylor Swift - Style (Taylor's Version) Taylor Swift - You're On Your Own, Kid Phoebe Bridgers - Motion Sickness Taylor Swift - Our Song Beyoncé - Sandcastles Katy Perry - Unconditionally Taylor Swift - cardigan Dua Lipa - Levitating Taylor Swift - You Belong With Me (Taylor’s Version) Taylor Swift - Dear John (Taylor's Version) Jensen McRae - Praying For Your Downfall Jensen McRae - Savannah Jensen McRae - Immune Taylor Swift - Would've, Could've, Should've MORE Subscribe to our newsletter to receive your own bingo card! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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