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On November 9, 1971, a man named John List got to work killing his entire family. After killing his wife Helen, his mother Alma, and his children Patricia, John Frederick, and Frederick, he vanished. In 1989, List was arrested and ultimately convicted of the murders.Today, we speak with a longtime listener with a unique perspective on this case: He corresponded with John List while the family annihilator served his life sentence in prison.Shoutout to Andy — one of our beloved patrons — who was kind enough to come on the show. Thank you, Andy!Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsPre-order our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.Don’t you hate feeling like people are constantly trying to scam you?Yeah. I’m always getting scammy phone calls and texts and emails. It’s everywhere. So annoying and stressful. There are a lot of scammers out there. But the good news is our sponsor Cash App has your back. Scammers know the holidays are busy for everyone which can make us all targets for scams. That’s why Cash App builds in protection to help keep your money safe while you’re checking off your shopping list. If you’re about to send money to someone for a deal that’s too good to be true and Cash App flags it as a potential scam, they'll warn you before you send the money. Cash App also gives you an extra layer of protection with features like Security Lock. You can require a PIN, Face ID, or fingerprint, to unlock your account and move money so even if someone gets a hold of your unlocked phone at holiday party, your money is right where you left it. ● Gift yourself some peace of mind this holiday season and download Cash AppWe love to use Cash App. It’s easy and intuitive. We’ve used it at holiday festivals for treats, at farmer’s markets to get delicious watermelons this summer, and to split bills with friends after a night out. For a limited time only, new Cash App customers can use our exclusive code to earn some additional cash. For real. Just download Cash App, use our exclusive referral code SECURE10 in your profile, send $5 to a friend within 14 days, and you’ll get $10 dropped right into your account. Terms apply. That’s Money. That’s Cash App. Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Promotions provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

9 Nov 20251h 4min

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from New Jersey, Washington, Oklahoma, Canada, and Australia.NJ.com’s coverage of the disappearance of Kevin Collins Jr.: https://www.nj.com/salem/2025/11/nj-moms-desperate-8-month-search-for-her-missing-son-inspires-fundraiser.htmlTinisha Hall’s Change.org petition on the disappearance of her son, Kevin Collins Jr.: https://www.change.org/p/help-find-my-kevin-collins-demand-action-demand-answersThe BBC’s coverage of convicted child rapist Steven van de Velde: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly9z3r1dmzoThe National Post’s coverage of the conviction of Qin Shen for the attack on Jing Lu: https://nationalpost.com/news/b-c-appeal-attempted-murder-courtroomNews9’s coverage of the murder of Oklahoma Highway Patrol Trooper Howard Crumley and the denied parole of Hubert Wilkinson: https://www.news9.com/crime/commutation-denied-for-man-convicted-in-1970-murder-of-oklahoma-highway-patrol-trooperKATU’s report on the death of a man known as Arslan and the arrest of Raylin Marie Benzie: https://katu.com/news/local/court-docs-woman-met-man-for-sex-at-ilani-casino-drugged-him-with-fentanyl-killing-himFind discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

7 Nov 202559min

On November 5, 1986, Temujin Kensu murdered Scott Macklem. For decades, Kensu and his allies have put out rumors about Scott having a dark side, in an effort to point to other possible killers. So what's the truth about Scott? Was he rapist? Was he involved in drugs? On today's episode, we will hear from five friends of Scott. They will debunk some myths about their murdered friend.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

5 Nov 20251h 28min

On November 5, 1986, Temujin Kensu murdered Scott Macklem. For decades, we've mostly heard Kensu's story. Meanwhile, Scott's been lost in discussion of his own killing. So who was Scott Macklem? On today's episode, we will hear from five friends of Scott. They will share what Scott was like as a person.In tomorrow's episode, we will hear from them again as they debunk some of the myths spread about Scott.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

4 Nov 20251h

Happy Halloween!The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana, New York, Oregon, and Georgia.Syracuse.com's coverage of the case of Miequin Cheese and the murder of Lakquan Golden: https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2024/11/a-potential-jurors-nod-of-the-head-has-led-to-a-syracuse-murder-conviction-being-overturned.htmlMore coverage from Syracuse.com on the case of Miequin Cheese and the murder of Lakquan Golden: https://www.syracuse.com/crime/2025/10/mans-second-murder-trial-begins-after-conviction-was-overturned-for-a-jurors-nod.htmlOregonLive's coverage of recent cases in Oregon that have been impacted by that state questioning the reliability of ballistics testimony: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/06/method-to-analyze-gun-evidence-not-scientifically-valid-oregon-court-says-in-major-ruling.htmlOregonLive's coverage of recent cases in Oregon that have been impacted by that state questioning the reliability of ballistics testimony: https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2025/10/court-overturns-portland-murder-conviction-citing-recent-landmark-ruling-on-gun-evidence.htmlFox5 Atlanta's coverage of the Billy Joe Cagle arrest: https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/atlanta-airport-arrest-phone-calls-reveal-moments-before-billy-joe-cagles-arrestCBS News' coverage of Billy Joe Cagle's family's courageous decision: https://www.cbsnews.com/atlanta/news/atlanta-airport-shooting-threat-averted-billy-joe-cagles-family-speaks-out/Fox 59 reports on a plea deal in the case of the would-be Mooresville High School Shooter Trinity Shockley: https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/plea-agreement-filed-in-case-of-would-be-mooresville-hs-school-shooter/Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.Your home should be your refuge. But as true crime podcasters we can tell you that criminals are out there willing to violate your peace and security for whatever insidious motive. It’s a real danger and it’s probably one of the scariest things that can happen to a person or a family.And one big problem is that traditional home security systems are helpless to deal with this, because they are reactive. Once an intruder is inside or actively breaking in, then the system goes off. So the trauma is already going to be there for the homeowner. That’s why we trust Simplisafe to protect our home. They’re different. Plus, our listeners are going to get 60% off in Simplisafe’s biggest sale of the year. The reason we love our Simplisafe home security system is we know it’s proactive. If an possible intruder comes up to our door, their live agents will jump on the situation. They’ll confront the person, tell them police are on the way, and start sounding alarms and flashing lights. That Active Guard Outdoor Protection is a pretty good deterrent for a criminal. You don’t have to do anything, you don’t have to monitor alerts themselves. Their AI-powered cameras and live human agents will do it all for you. We’ve used our Simplisafe home security system for years. It’s a brand that we trust, that’s become a part of our lives and our own peace of mind. As true crime podcasters, we’ve gotten threats, so we take security seriously. We trust Simplisafe to protect our family from burglars, criminals, and anyone who might do us harm. Don’t miss out on SimpliSafe’s biggest sale of the year—60% off. Right now, our listeners can save 60% off on a SimpliSafe home security system at SimpliSafe dot com slash MSHEET. That’s SimpliSafe dot com slash MSHEET. There’s no safe like SimpliSafe.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

31 Okt 20251h 8min

Spin Docs is our segment where we scrutinize true crime docuseries and documentaries. Today, we will speak about Netflix's The Perfect Neighbor, which chronicles the killing of young mother Ajike Owens by Susan Lorincz on June 2, 2023 through body camera footage.Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLCWe love Cornbread Hemp’s CBD gummies. We’ve had a busy year in terms of writing and promoting our crime nonfiction book, and continuing to produce the podcasts. Cornbread Hemp gummies have helped us with sleep, stress, aches, and more.Cornbread Hemp’s CBD gummies help us manage everything. We’ve been using their berry CBD gummies, which taste so good, and their sleep CBD gummies and their CBD lotion. What we love about Cornbread Hemp is that these products work with your body, not against it. We’ve been really impressed by the results and enjoy adopting them as part of our wellness routines. As a tense and pretty anxious person, Cornbread Hemp’s CBD gummies help me feel less stress. These gummies are made with full spectrum CBD for maximum potency, plus their Flower-Only extraction means you’re not eating sticks, stems, or leaves. It's all organic, vegan and gluten freeCornbread Hemp is all about quality products. They’re looking to help improve your quality of life through the highest quality CBD. Plus, they’re based in our neighboring state, Kentucky, which has a hemp tradition going back 250 years. Cornbread products are all third-party lab-tested and are USDA organic. So what you’re getting is safe and pure CBD. And as a reminder, CBD is non-intoxicating. Right now, Murder Sheet listeners can save 30% on their first order! Just head to cornbread hemp dot com slash MSHEET and use code MSHEET at checkout. That’s cornbreadhemp dot com slash MSHEET, and use code MSHEET.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

29 Okt 202557min

We interviewed former Sacramento County District Attorney Anne Marie Schubert about her work on the Golden State Killer case and the 1991 yogurt shop murders investigation.Check out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.It's fall. The air’s crisp. The sky’s darker in the evening. The holidays are drawing closer. Time to bundle up and get cozy with the latest sweaters, outerwear, and essential layers from Quince.We love our sponsor Quince. We shop there all the time. We love getting luxury goods for less. Quince has prices that are 50% less than similar brands because they cut out the middlemen to get you quality items at a reasonable price. Washable silk tops and skirts, Italian wool coats, and of course their signature mongolian cashmere sweaters. As the temperatures drop, I’m once again returning to my black V-Neck Sweater and a dark blue Turtleneck Sweater, both in Mongolian cashmere. I love how they feel. But I'm also mixing things up with two new purchases. One, my Mongolian cashmere fisherman crewneck sweater in ivory. It's so cozy. And the other is a black 100% washable silk long sleeve mini dress, for the holidays.I love my two new Quince sweaters, too. They’re warm and keep me comfortable against the autumn chill. Check them out. Also, Aine has a cute blue beret that I love and she has begun wearing.I love that beret.Step into the holiday season with layers made to feel good, look polished, and last— from Quince. Perfect for gifting or keeping for yourself. Go to Quince dot com slash msheet for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. That’s Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash msheet to get free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince dot com slash msheetSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

28 Okt 202541min

The Cheat Sheet is The Murder Sheet's segment breaking down weekly news and updates in some of the murder cases we cover. In this episode, we'll talk about cases from Indiana and France.Fox 59 broadcast the brief hearing in the case of Mark Sanchez's alleged assault on Perry Tole: https://fox59.com/news/indycrime/mark-sanchezs-attorneys-participate-in-initial-hearing-in-marion-county-court/BBC's coverage of the conviction of Cédric Jubillar for the murder of Delphine Jubillar: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crexz473pvxoLe Monde's coverage of the conviction of Cédric Jubillar for the murder of Delphine Jubillar: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/police-and-justice/article/2025/10/17/cedric-jubillar-sentenced-to-30-years-in-prison-for-murder-of-his-wife_6746530_105.htmlNBC's coverage of the Louvre heist: https://www.nbcnews.com/world/europe/louvre-reopens-jewel-heist-thieves-police-paris-rcna239064Find discounts for Murder Sheet listeners here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/discountsCheck out our upcoming book events and get links to buy tickets here: https://murdersheetpodcast.com/eventsOrder our book on Delphi here: https://bookshop.org/p/books/shadow-of-the-bridge-the-delphi-murders-and-the-dark-side-of-the-american-heartland-aine-cain/21866881?ean=9781639369232Or here: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Shadow-of-the-Bridge/Aine-Cain/9781639369232Or here: https://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Bridge-Murders-American-Heartland/dp/1639369236Join our Patreon here! https://www.patreon.com/c/murdersheetSupport The Murder Sheet by buying a t-shirt here: https://www.murdersheetshop.com/Check out more inclusive sizing and t-shirt and merchandising options here: https://themurdersheet.dashery.com/Send tips to murdersheet@gmail.com.The Murder Sheet is a production of Mystery Sheet LLC.It’s full-fledged fall out there. It’s sweater season. And I’m thrilled about it because it means we went on a new Quince shopping spree.We love our sponsor Quince. It’s our go-to for quality pieces. They offer $50 Mongolian cashmere sweaters for everyday style. Italian wool coats with designer cuts. Fashionable denim. Silk tops and skirts to upgrade your closet. The perfect ingredients for a wardrobe that’s affordable, easy to maintain, and always in style. Just recently, I got Kevin two lovely-looking new Quince sweaters. One is a black Australian Merino Wool Cable Crewneck Sweater. The other is a true navy Mongolian cashmere crewneck sweater. I think he looks rather handsome in them. Plus, they’re super comfortable and easy to wear. I’m not one for expanding my style all that often, but Quince makes it so easy by offering prices 50% less than other brands. They cut out the middlemen and make it easy for you to spruce up your style this holiday season. Check them out now. Step into the holiday season with layers made to feel good, look polished, and last— from Quince. Perfect for gifting or keeping for yourself. Go to Quince dot com slash msheet for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Now available in Canada, too. That’s Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash msheet to get free shipping and 365-day returns. Quince dot com slash msheet.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

24 Okt 202553min