The Winston Marshall Show17 Jun 2025

Jonathan Pageau - “World War II is the founding myth of the modern world” The End Of The World War Two Consensus

Theologian and cultural commentator Jonathan Pageau joins The Winston Marshall Show for a profound discussion on meaning, myth, and the crumbling foundations of the post-war consensus.

Pageau argues that the secular order built after WWII—rooted in liberalism, materialism, and the rejection of transcendent values—is collapsing under the weight of its own contradictions. As old narratives dissolve, chaos rushes in to fill the void: identity politics, technocracy, and ideological extremism.

They explore the spiritual cost of modernity, the dangers of trying to build a society without sacred stories, and why the breakdown of shared mythos is leaving the West vulnerable to civilizational decay.

All this—rituals, relativism, revolution, and the desperate search for meaning in a world that has forgotten its soul…

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Chapters

2:39 Reframing World War II and Its Consensus

43:28 Emerging Narratives and Historical Revisionism

58:21 The Dichotomy of Nationalism and Globalism

1:05:41 The Role of Symbols in Cultural and Political Narratives

1:08:54 Online Phenomenon and Political Parties

1:15:43 Role of Christianity and Identity

1:21:34 Nationalism and Empire vs. Modern Nation-State

1:24:15 Closing Thoughts

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