#472 - Why You’re Losing Deals by Not Picking Up the Phone | Michelle Cecil

#472 - Why You’re Losing Deals by Not Picking Up the Phone | Michelle Cecil

Getting your buyer live on the phone isn’t old school—it’s elite. In this episode, Michelle Cecil, two-time President’s Club winner at Procore, shares how dialing instead of emailing builds trust, collapses timelines, and puts you back in control of your deals. Her approach proves that the phone isn’t dead—it’s your most underused weapon. 🎙 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS: Don’t negotiate over email — Use a “carrot on a stick” to earn a callback, then close the gap in live conversation where nuance and urgency can thrive. Own the reference process — Prep your prospect and your customer, set the agenda, and run the call. You are the producer—don’t outsource the close. Call before big demos — Reach out to every stakeholder with a simple message: “I want this meeting to be worth your time.” You’ll get more replies than you think. JUST DO THIS: Pick one deal in your pipeline. Find a reason to call your champion today—and do it. MICHELLE’S PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB: Commercial AE: 2X President’s Club winner with 11 consecutive fully ramped quarters at or above quota from day one as an AE. AE to Commercial Manager: Promoted 5 times internally from SDR to Enterprise AE to Manager demonstrating consistent growth, adaptability, and long-term impact. Commercial AE: In 8+ years, missed only 2 quarterly numbers RESOURCES DISCUSSED: Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal Save $50 on any 30MPC course with code “PODCAST” Free Sales Templates, Scripts and Guides JOB LISTINGS Account Executive (Sponsorships) Account Executive (Courses) Content Strategist

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#157 - Structuring the steps of your discovery call (Krysten Conner, Enterprise Account Executive @ UserGems)

#157 - Structuring the steps of your discovery call (Krysten Conner, Enterprise Account Executive @ UserGems)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 UserGems’ Job Change Sequence FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Start with a menu of pain: the 3 biggest problems that any given persona can face. Once you align on the problem, ask, “What’s prompting that need?”. You can start talking about solutions once you have an executive-level problem (e.g. down round, churn problem). Use individual contributors, like AEs, for inside intel on the organization. Then use their quotes on 1-2 slides when meeting with VP or CXO. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ UserGems Enterprise+ Account Executive @ Outreach Enterprise Accounts, Financial Services @ Tableau Software Strategic Accounts @ PowerSchool RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

8 Mar 202330min

#156 - Adding discipline into your sales process (Anthony Natoli, Enterprise Account Executive @ Lattice)

#156 - Adding discipline into your sales process (Anthony Natoli, Enterprise Account Executive @ Lattice)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 Download Anthony's 3-Step Email Framework FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS On a cold call: Get permission, lead with a problem statement and its negative consequences, then ask how they’re addressing it today. Once you have validation, book the meeting. On a normal discovery call: Ask why they took the call, why change at all, and lastly why change now. On a competitive discovery call: Start with why they bought their original solution and move to how their experience / goals have changed since then. Figure out where you stack on their priority list by asking: “When you’re on an all-hands, is this something people are talking about?”. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Enterprise Account Executive @ Lattice Commercial Account Executive @ Outreach Growth Account Direct, Mid-Market @ Demandbase Sr. Account Executive @ Ethos Lending LLC RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

1 Mar 202334min

#155 - Part 2: Pacing your conversation with a champion vs. executive (Kevin “KD” Dorsey, Sales Leadership Coach)

#155 - Part 2: Pacing your conversation with a champion vs. executive (Kevin “KD” Dorsey, Sales Leadership Coach)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 Download KD's "Did I" Checklist Manifesto FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS After the demo, get a sense of what they liked and use it to justify your ask to power. Avoid getting stuck below the line with “yes-and” - loop in the suggestion but also confirm the email you want instead of asking for permission. When you get to power, recap the key problems you found first, then open it up and ask what’s important to them. Start with the worst-case scenario of the results you can drive and get agreement on that being a good outcome first, then over-deliver. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Practice Lead, Revenue Leadership @ Winning by Design VP of Inside Sales @ PatientPop Inc. Head of Sales Enablement & Development @ ServiceTitan VP of Sales @ SnackNation RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

22 Feb 202328min

#154 - Hall of Fame: Joe Caprio

#154 - Hall of Fame: Joe Caprio

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Stop withholding the demo from your prospects, ask how they want to run it. 5 min harbor demo in the call #1, 30 minute deep-dive in #2, multi-thread, repeat. Don’t force yourself to power. Enable your champion to have the conversations. If you need power, ask your champion questions they need power to answer. RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

20 Feb 202333min

#153 - Part 1: Connecting the dots in your discovery call (Kevin “KD” Dorsey, Sales Leadership Coach)

#153 - Part 1: Connecting the dots in your discovery call (Kevin “KD” Dorsey, Sales Leadership Coach)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 Download KD's "Did I" Checklist Manifesto FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS PPI (Problem, Pain, Impact): Get agreement on a problem, understand the pain the problem causes, and identify what that means for the buyer and the business. Use bucket questions to get problem agreement. Weave the top 3 problems into your opening questions.  When someone tells you what they want, restate it as a pain point. Turn solutions into problems.  The transition between discovery and demo is the perfect time for “might make sense”. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Practice Lead, Revenue Leadership @ Winning by Design VP of Inside Sales @ PatientPop Inc. Head of Sales Enablement & Development @ ServiceTitan VP of Sales @ SnackNation RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

15 Feb 202327min

#152 - Identifying the difference between pain and problem (Becc Holland, Founder & CEO @ Flip the Script)

#152 - Identifying the difference between pain and problem (Becc Holland, Founder & CEO @ Flip the Script)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS If you don’t dig into their self-diagnosis, you lose credibility. When you hear their diagnosis, ask why they came to that conclusion and then begin to unpack it. Unpack the diagnosis by starting with the questions that will most likely get you to the answer quickly. Once you know the key metrics that drive their business (e.g., open rates, reply rates), you can deposit and add value by sharing industry benchmarks of what those could be. Prospect by identifying the top 2-3 problems that most people don’t know that they have, then try to find out where the prospect realistically lands currently.  PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Founder & CEO @ Flip the Script Head of Sales Development @ Chorus.ai Regional VP of Business Development @ G2 Sr. Manager, Inside Sales @ Gong.io  RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

8 Feb 202330min

#151 - Controlling the sales process in the buyer’s best interest (Devin Reed, Director, Content & Thought Leadership @ Clari)

#151 - Controlling the sales process in the buyer’s best interest (Devin Reed, Director, Content & Thought Leadership @ Clari)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 Wingman’s In-App Objection Handling Battlecards FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Use typically language to help guide your buyer into the next steps. When the buyer wants to multithread to someone you’re not familiar with, ask how that person has contributed to purchases in the past. When your champion is proposing to finance, offer to be a “fly on the wall” to help support them. If you aren’t on the call, ask questions about what the call will look like and what issues could come up in it. Keep your buyer’s best interest in mind when driving the timeline. Don’t drive it using your quota or discount. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Director, Content & Thought Leadership @ Clari Head of Content Strategy @ Gong Account Executive - Large Accounts @ Eventbrite Sr. Account Executive @ OneMob RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

1 Feb 202329min

#150 - Plan your attack, then attack your plan (Liam Mulcahy, Go-to-Market @ Kleiner Perkins)

#150 - Plan your attack, then attack your plan (Liam Mulcahy, Go-to-Market @ Kleiner Perkins)

Join the most tactical sales newsletter in the world: https://hubs.ly/Q01-R33G0 Download Liam’s Account Planning Sheet FOUR ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS Start discovery by asking why they were hired in the first place. It’ll help build rapport and understand the organizational vision. If you suspect someone is going to be a blocker in the deal, bring it up with your champion before it even happens. Don’t stay single-threaded in accounts. Just because you booked a meeting doesn't mean you shouldn’t keep prospecting. If you’re introduced to power: share your hypothesis, then introduce a few things only they can answer to further expand on your discovery. PATH TO PRESIDENT’S CLUB Go-to-Market @ Kleiner Perkins Director, GTM @ Unusual Ventures Regional Director, East @ MongoDB Director, Sales & Product GTM @ New Directions Behavioral Health RESOURCES DISCUSSED Join our weekly newsletter Things you can steal

25 Jan 202339min

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