“I Still Feel Rex Is Here” — Gilgo Killer's Wife, Asa Ellerup’s Grief and Denial, Analyzed by the FBI

The arrest of Rex Heuermann has left both the public and his family grappling with his complex character. A recent episode of the popular podcast, "Hidden Killers," delved into the intricate web of emotions and queries surrounding his arrest, raising pertinent questions about family bonds and psychology. How do families cope when they discover the grim realities lurking beneath their loved one's facade?    "It appears that he was dad and that he was a husband," states the show's host, Tony Brueski. Indeed, this revelation is an emotional tempest for Heuermann's adult children. They have been incommunicado since his arrest. As the hosts deliberate, how do offspring reconcile with the fact that their beloved parent might have been a two-faced monster? Psychotherapist and author, Shavaun Scott weighs in, suggesting that "most of the time it's probably healthier for them to... cut the ties." The weight of processing two contradictory identities - a doting father and a possible criminal - might be too much for the human psyche.    The podcast further delves into the deep-seated struggle of establishing communication with a family member implicated in heinous crimes. "Is it ever a good thing to maintain that [relationship]?," Tony probes. Scott believes that while it might be therapeutic for some to confront their relative, she's skeptical of any tangible positive outcome from such a conversation. In cases where family members do engage, the conversations often revolve around processing their horror and disbelief.    However, Heuermann isn't just a case study in family dynamics; the podcast shines light on suspicions that link him to an unsolved case in South Carolina. A potential witness, the daughter of the victim, Julia Ann Bean, claims she recognized Heuermann from a photo, exclaiming, "I've seen him. That was the last man I saw with her personally." Yet, Scott cautions against relying too heavily on eyewitness testimony. She highlights that "eyewitness statements to murders are notoriously unreliable," referencing several cases where wrongful convictions occurred based on such testimonies. The reliability of this connection to Heuermann thus remains questionable.    Perhaps one of the most chilling parts of the discussion centers around Heuermann's workplace behavior. Reports suggest he preferred hiring petite women resembling the alleged victims' description. Further, Heuermann would often gleefully describe the process of "dressing the game," delighting in the shock he evoked from his colleagues. While some might see these behaviors as red flags, Scott opines that while this could be "relevant to a psychologist doing a thorough evaluation of his personality," its admissibility in court might be controversial.    As listeners grapple with the contrasting images of Heuermann - a family man versus a potential criminal mastermind - "Hidden Killers" challenges them to reflect on the complexities of human relationships. The episode underscores the fragile nature of trust, the pain of betrayal, and the struggle to understand the dark depths of those we hold dear. In a world where the lines between good and evil often blur, the revelations about Heuermann's life and character are a stark reminder of the mysteries that lie hidden beneath the surface. As investigations proceed and trials loom ahead, one can only hope that truth and justice will prevail. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

14 Sep 20237min

In a riveting episode of the acclaimed "Hidden Killers" podcast, host Tony Brueski joins forces with the sagacious mind of retired FBI Special Agent, Robin Dreeke. As they peel back the layers of the Rex Heuermann case, a saga brimming with allegations, speculations, and alleged injustices, the narrative takes unexpected turns, particularly when the involvement and treatment of Heuermann's family come under the spotlight. Rex Heuermann's recent arrest has thrust him into the limelight, sparking a nationwide debate and presenting a myriad of questions regarding the repercussions on his family. Tony Brueski poses a poignant reflection on this aspect, referencing "talk and speculation about the family themselves," especially concerning Heuermann's children and his soon-to-be ex-wife. This family angle has grown in significance with John Ray, the attorney for the victims of the Gilgo Beach incident, suggesting a deeper dive into the family's potential ties. Brueski encapsulates Ray's sentiments, saying there's a call for "a closer look at this family, not just immediately wiping them away." The family's legal representation swiftly counters, asserting that "these allegations shouldn't even be dignified with a response." Yet, the discourse isn't merely about pointing fingers or sowing seeds of doubt. Robin Dreeke, with his reservoir of FBI experience, brings a nuanced perspective to the table. For Dreeke, investigations have always been about breadth and depth. "You know, as investigators, you investigate everything," he underscores. His contention isn't about implicating the family but valuing their proximity to Heuermann, which could unravel previously overlooked facets of the case. Drawing on statistical probabilities, Dreeke elaborates, "the chances of them being aware of anything [criminal] are slim to none." However, their long-standing association with Heuermann could make them instrumental in shading in the missing parts of the puzzle. Such invaluable insights aren't novel in crime investigations. Dreeke cites the instance of the BTK killer, emphasizing the revelation potential when law enforcement fosters open dialogues with family members. "They might be aware of trips he took during time periods that might coincide with other murders, with other missing people and things like that," Dreeke articulates, pushing for a more inclusive approach to investigations. Yet, the Heuermann narrative isn't a linear tale of chasing leads. It's a tapestry woven with allegations of mistreatment meted out to the family by law enforcement. Brueski pulls no punches as he touches upon how the family's residence was "destroyed" during the investigative process. Such adversarial stances, Dreeke postulates, run the risk of "making an enemy out of your possible allies and resources." Intriguingly, as the conversation pivots to the underpinnings of such oversight, one term recurrently emerges: "Leadership." Dreeke, connecting the dots from past events, such as escapes from Pennsylvania prisons, opines that systemic inadequacies often trace back to the leadership helm. Brueski, sharing this sentiment, remarks, "I think the thing that tainted this years ago was that chief [who] has now been arrested." But the podcast episode doesn't merely chronicle the specifics of the case; it morphs into a broader rumination on the ethos of law enforcement. Dreeke broaches the inherent biases officers might harbor due to their incessant brushes with society's underbelly. "Your first inclination a lot of times is not, 'Hey, let's partner with these people'," he observes, stressing the need for collaboration, especially with those connected to the accused. In the final analysis, Brueski and Dreeke accentuate the imperative for a holistic and humane approach to investigations. Their call to arms isn't just for thoroughness but also for empathy. As Dreeke envisions a dedicated "point person" to bridge law enforcement and the family, the overarching message is clear: investigations must be both incisive and inclusive, ensuring justice doesn't become a casualty in the pursuit of truth.

14 Sep 202310min

The latest episode of "Hidden Killers" casts new doubts, raises old suspicions, and seeks a deeper understanding of the perplexing Gilgo Beach murders. The narrative becomes murkier as Tony Brueski sits down with psychotherapist and author, Shavaun Scott, to dissect the bold claims made by John Ray, an attorney for some of the victims. The question in focus: Was Rex Heuermann part of a larger, insidious criminal network, or was this a tragic series of individual crimes?    John Ray's audacious statement suggests Heuermann was embroiled in a "large criminal enterprise" rather than being a lone predator. The claim has set the crime community abuzz. Scott expressed skepticism, observing, "It strikes me as desperate and throwing out anything to try to deflect the focus from him. It doesn't make any sense." Ray's statement gains more weight, considering his decade-long association with the Gilgo Beach case, even before Heuermann emerged as a significant figure.    A notable twist emerges when considering Heuermann's potential connection to the now-incarcerated former police chief. The speculation follows the possible overlapping circles the two may have moved in, suggesting a tacit agreement to shield each other from scrutiny. Brueski muses on the odds of such a connection, "What are the odds that there could be a connection between the two of I rub your back, you rub mine?" Scott weighed in, noting the rarity of collusion in such cases and characterizing the narrative as something out of a cinematic thriller, but added, "I don't know that we can rule anything out."    Attention then turns to Asa Ellerup, Heuermann's wife, whose behavior in the wake of the revelations has been under the scanner. As her husband stands accused of heinous crimes, the community has mixed reactions to how she has been navigating the aftermath. Scott offers a compassionate perspective, "Finding out that the person you're married to and you've been living with all those years could actually psychologically shatter a lot of people." With children to care for, one with developmental challenges, Elra's situation remains uniquely challenging.    Addressing what advice could potentially be offered to someone in Asa's situation, Scott mentions the importance of support. "The only generic advice I would give is to have as much support as you possibly can." The unprecedented nature of Asa's ordeal is highlighted with a moment of levity when Brueski half-jokingly proposes a book on handling the revelation of a spouse being a serial killer. Scott, with a chuckle, acknowledges the rarity of the situation, adding, "Maybe I should write that one."    The conversation circles back to Ellerup's current mental state, with Scott observing signs of depression and the added strain of battling cancer. The assessment underlines the importance of reserving judgment and extending empathy. "She is probably not in the right frame of mind to have the best judgment," Scott adds, emphasizing the devastating impact such revelations can have on a person's well-being.    As the episode concludes, listeners are left pondering the intertwined lives of those connected to the Gilgo Beach murders. The mystery of Rex Heuermann's alleged actions and the ripple effects on his family and the community continue to unfold, bringing forth more questions than answers.    "Hidden Killers" once again delivers a gripping narrative, intertwined with expert insights, making listeners eagerly await the next installment in this perplexing crime saga. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

13 Sep 20235min

In a recent episode of the widely-followed podcast "Hidden Killers", host Tony Brueski sits down with retired FBI Special Agent and Chief of the Counterintelligence Behavioral Analysis Program, Robin Dreeke, to dive deep into the enigmatic Rex Heuermann case. The discussion provides fresh insights into a story that has garnered nationwide attention, particularly regarding the treatment and involvement of Heuermann's family in the aftermath of his arrest.    For those unfamiliar with the backdrop, Rex Heuermann was recently arrested under allegations that were both shocking and controversial. Some accusations have been presented by John Ray, an attorney representing victims of the infamous Gilgo Beach incident. Brueski opened up the conversation, pointing to the abundant "talk and speculation about the family themselves", highlighting concerns about Heuermann's children and soon-to-be ex-wife.    John Ray's position suggests a more in-depth investigation into the family's potential involvement. Brueski paraphrases Ray's sentiments: "there should be a closer look at this family, not just immediately wiping them away." However, the counter-argument from the family's legal counsel implies such claims are unwarranted: "these allegations shouldn't even be dignified with a response."    But Dreeke, drawing upon his years of experience, shares a critical viewpoint on the matter. "You know, as investigators, you investigate everything," he emphasizes. It's not just about suspecting the family's involvement but recognizing their potential value as witnesses. He further elaborates, "the stats are... the probabilities of them being witting of anything. Slim to none." Yet, having lived with Heuermann for years, their testimonies could offer new dimensions into the man's activities and patterns.    Dreeke refers to the BTK killer's case, suggesting the importance of having open dialogues with family members who can shed light on overlooked details. "Because they might be aware of trips he took during time periods that might coincide with other murders, with other missing people and things like that," he notes, stressing the importance of not disregarding the family as invaluable resources.    However, the narrative isn't just about law enforcement missing potential leads. It delves into the alleged mistreatment of the family during investigations. Brueski points out how the family's house was "ripped up and destroyed" and even their pets faced dire consequences. Dreeke identifies this as a significant shortcoming, stating, "Almost making an enemy out of your possible allies and resources in this."    The crux of the conversation then shifts to the potential reasons for this oversight. For Dreeke, it always comes down to one thing: "Leadership." Drawing from recent events, like escapes from Pennsylvania prisons, Dreeke believes that poor decisions or practices often root back to inadequate leadership at the helm. Brueski chimes in with his observation, "I think the thing that tainted this years ago was that chief. That is now been arrested and that it starts there."    Beyond the specifics of the Heuermann case, the discussion opens up broader issues about the human side of law enforcement. Dreeke addresses the challenging confirmation bias that can plague officers, given their consistent exposure to the darker sides of humanity. "Your first inclination a lot of times is not, 'Hey, let's partner with these people'", he remarks, referring to potential witnesses or family members of the accused.    In closing, both Brueski and Dreeke emphasize the need for a holistic approach to investigations, one that takes into account not just the collection of evidence but the human elements involved. Dreeke's call for a "point person dedicated towards creating a relationship with the family" underscores the broader ethos of the discussion: law enforcement must prioritize the larger picture, ensuring that investigations are both comprehensive and compassionate. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

13 Sep 20237min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

11 Sep 20236min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

10 Sep 20237min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

10 Sep 20237min

Welcome to the "Week In Review," where we delve into the true stories behind this week's headlines. Your host, Tony Brueski, joins hands with a rotating roster of guests, sharing their insights and analysis on a collection of intriguing, perplexing, and often chilling stories that made the news.       This is not your average news recap. With the sharp investigative lens of Tony and his guests, the show uncovers layers beneath the headlines, offering a comprehensive perspective that traditional news can often miss. From high-profile criminal trials to in-depth examinations of ongoing investigations, this podcast takes listeners on a fascinating journey through the world of true crime and current events.       Each episode navigates through multiple stories, illuminating their details with factual reporting, expert commentary, and engaging conversation. Tony and his guests discuss each case's nuances, complexities, and human elements, delivering a multi-dimensional understanding to their audience.  Whether you are a dedicated follower of true crime or an everyday listener interested in the stories shaping our world, the "Week In Review" brings you the perfect balance of intrigue, information, and intelligent conversation. Expect thoughtful analysis, informed opinions, and thought-provoking discussions beyond the 24-hour news cycle. Want to listen to ALL of our podcasts AD-FREE? Subscribe through APPLE PODCASTS, and try it for three days free: https://tinyurl.com/ycw626tj Follow Our Other Cases: https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com The latest on Catching the Long Island Serial Killer, Awaiting Admission: BTK’s Unconfessed Crimes, Chad & Lori Daybell, The Murder of Ana Walshe, Alex Murdaugh, Bryan Kohberger, Lucy Letby, Kouri Richins, Justice for Harmony Montgomery, The Murder of Stephen Smith, The Murder of Madeline Kingsbury, and much more! Listen at https://www.truecrimetodaypod.com

10 Sep 20234min