Per My Last Email11 Aug 2025

Balancing Friendship Inside & Outside of Work, with Morning Brew Daily’s Neal Freyman & Toby Howell

In this episode, Kaila and Kyle are joined by Morning Brew Daily hosts Neal Freyman and Toby Howell to talk about a subject they know better than anyone—the reality of having a work bestie. Listen to hear Neal and Toby share the story of how they went from colleagues, to friends, to podcast co-hosts, and the unexpected benefits and potential drawbacks of having such a tight working relationship. 00:00 Intro 02:09 How Neal and Toby originally became friends 07:58 How being both friends and colleagues has affected their work 10:12 Developing the Morning Brew Daily show 13:31 On the period that Toby and Neal were together 24/7 16:14 Advice for someone unsure about cultivating a deep friendship at work 20:30 The difference between having work friends at a small company versus a larger one 23:00 Neal and Toby answer questions from their own Morning Brew Daily production team 29:41 Game: This episode was sponsored by Gamma. Try Gamma now at https://gamma.app/pmle Want to get all of Kaila & Kyle’s career resources? Subscribe to Per My Last Email: https://www.permylastemailshow.com/ Watch Per My Last Email on YouTube: @PerMYLastEmailShow Follow Per My Last Email Instagram: @permylastemailshow TikTok: @permylastemailshow Twitter: @permylast_email Have a question for us? Send us an email or voice note to permylastemail@morningbrew.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Each week on Per My Last Email, Morning Brew’s resident career experts Kaila and Kyle – whose careers have collectively spanned the corporate, government, nonprofit and startup sectors – debate the trickiest challenges in work life, and share tactics on how to overcome them. Share the show with a friend, and leave us a review on your favorite podcast app! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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