In Right Relationship | Rachel Harris, PhD - Swimming in the Sacred: Bridging Western Psychology and Shamanic Paradigms #12

In this episode of In Right Relationship, hosts Liz Chernett and Lily Eggers sit down with psychologist, researcher, and author Rachel Harris, PhD, for a rich and expansive conversation exploring the sacred dimensions of psychedelic work. Drawing from her book Swimming in the Sacred, Rachel shares insights from interviews with underground women elders who have been working with psychedelics for decades. Together, they unpack key distinctions between psychotherapeutic and shamanic paradigms, discuss the importance of ongoing transformation over quick-fix integration, and reflect on the mysterious forces at play in ceremonial healing. Rachel also speaks candidly about her own experiences—from the Esalen Institute in the 1960s to remote healing with Shipibo shamans. A profound and wide-ranging dialogue on consciousness, responsibility, and the unseen allies that walk beside us on the path.

Connect with Rachel:

https://www.swimminginthesacred.com/

https://www.listeningtoayahuasca.com/

About Liz:

Liz Chernett is a Psychedelic Guide & Alchemy Coach, with a certification in Integration Coaching from the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. Naturally, psychedelics have played a vital role in her own self-actualization and healing, along with 20+ years of psychotherapy, coaching, and spiritual exploration. Her ⁠experience supporting others⁠ on their journeys of psychedelic-assisted empowerment—including high-dose journeys and microdosing—brings together her passion for parts work, depth psychology, and storytelling. Before walking this path, she spent nearly two decades working for fashion and wellness brands as a creative director. Liz lives in Philly with her partner and son, finding joy through traveling the earth and the cosmos, reading and writing poetry, communing with the trees, and loving on her dear ones.

Connect with Liz: https://www.kaleidoscopeeyecoaching.com⁠/

About Lily:

Lily Eggers is an LMFT #87580, with a Degree in Somatic Psychology from the California Institute of Integral Studies; She also holds a a certification in Integration Coaching from the Psychedelic Coaching Institute. Lily has been working experientially with couples as a counselor and bodyworker/yoga instructor for 20 years. Her life's work is supporting couples to experience more presence, vitality, creativity and fun! Lily lives with her husband and two children in Marin County, California and celebrates life by dancing, riding her bike, skinny dipping, hiking in the woods, consciously exploring psychedelics, and composing medicine music. She's writing a book entitled "The Intentional Relationship: 9 Weeks to Ignite Consciousness, Connection, Playfulness and Passion" due to come out Spring, 2025.

Connect with Lily: http://www.lilyeggers.com⁠/

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