Episode 375: Covered Calls: A Devil's Bargain

Episode 375: Covered Calls: A Devil's Bargain

In this episode, Ben and Dan take a deep dive into covered call strategies—popular ETFs often marketed on their eye-catching distribution yields. While these products promise steady "income," the reality is more complicated. Drawing on recent research from the Journal of Alternative Investments ("A Devil's Bargain: When Generating Income Undermines Investment Returns"), Ben and Dan unpack why covered calls often reduce expected returns, cap the upside of equities, and leave investors fully exposed to the downside. They explain how covered calls work, why yields are misleadingly presented as "income," and why long-term investors may find themselves worse off over time compared to simply holding equities or combining equities with cash. The conversation covers live fund performance, behavioral biases that drive demand for yield, and the rise of extreme products like single-stock covered call ETFs with 40%+ "yields." While covered calls may offer psychological appeal for investors who crave distributions, the evidence shows they often deliver lower total returns, higher costs, and asymmetric risk. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is—and nowhere is that clearer than in the world of covered call ETFs.

Key Points From This Episode:

(0:01:09) Why "14% yield" claims on covered call funds are misleading.

(0:02:35) Revisiting covered calls: "A Devil's Bargain" and new research insights.

(0:05:24) The deep-seated investor preference for income—and how fund companies exploit it.

(0:10:10) What a call option is and how it caps upside while leaving downside intact.

(0:14:53) Why selling calls lowers expected returns and distorts stock return patterns.

(0:20:25) The volatility risk premium: theory versus retail investor reality.

(0:22:17) How crowded trades since 2011 erased much of the benefit of covered calls.

(0:24:56) Why stocks' mean reversion makes covered calls especially damaging for long-term investors.

(0:28:11) The illusion of "income": distributions versus true total returns.

(0:34:41) Evidence from live funds: BMO utilities and banks covered call ETFs.

(0:40:53) Underperformance across rolling periods—covered calls vs. their underlying.

(0:46:17) JEPI and cult-like covered call products: big marketing, poor long-term results.

(0:47:36) The rise of single-stock covered call ETFs—and why they're worse.

(0:53:45) Higher costs: MERs and trading expenses add to the drag.

(0:57:25) Why marketing yields as "income" is financial BS.

(0:58:47) Final verdict: covered calls are more likely to harm than help investors' outcomes.

Links From Today's Episode:

Meet with PWL Capital: https://calendly.com/d/3vm-t2j-h3p

Rational Reminder on iTunes — https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-rational-reminder-podcast/id1426530582.
Rational Reminder Website — https://rationalreminder.ca/

Rational Reminder on Instagram — https://www.instagram.com/rationalreminder/

Rational Reminder on X — https://x.com/RationalRemind
Rational Reminder on TikTok — www.tiktok.com/@rationalreminder

Rational Reminder on YouTube — https://www.youtube.com/channel/

Rational Reminder Email — info@rationalreminder.ca
Benjamin Felix — https://pwlcapital.com/our-team/

Benjamin on X — https://x.com/benjaminwfelix

Benjamin on LinkedIn — https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjaminwfelix/

Dan Bortolotti — https://pwlcapital.com/our-team/

Dan Bortolotti on LinkedIn — https://ca.linkedin.com/in/dan-bortolotti-8a482310

Editing and post-production work for this episode was provided by The Podcast Consultant (https://thepodcastconsultant.com)

Denne episoden er hentet fra en åpen RSS-feed og er ikke publisert av Podme. Den kan derfor inneholde annonser.

Episoder(449)

The Finances of Marriage | #426

The Finances of Marriage | #426

In this episode, Ben Felix, Dan Bortolotti, and Ben Wilson take a research-driven look at the finances of marriage, from spending personalities and prenuptial agreements to wedding costs, joint accoun...

10 Sep 1h 8min

The Ethics Problem in Financial Services (Dr. Moira Somers & Philippa Hann) | #425

The Ethics Problem in Financial Services (Dr. Moira Somers & Philippa Hann) | #425

In this episode, we're joined by Philippa Hann and Dr. Moira Somers, co-authors of The Fault Lines of Finance: Understanding and Preventing Financial Misconduct, for a deep dive into why good people c...

3 Sep 1h 23min

50 Years of Evidence-Based Investing (w/ David Booth) | #424

50 Years of Evidence-Based Investing (w/ David Booth) | #424

In this episode, we welcome back David Booth, Co-Founder of Dimensional Fund Advisors and author of Stay Calm: Learn to Embrace Uncertainty in Investing and Life. David reflects on his remarkable care...

27 Aug 1h 5min

The Future of AI in the Workplace | Special Episode (Mike Sullivan and Vinay Gidwaney)

The Future of AI in the Workplace | Special Episode (Mike Sullivan and Vinay Gidwaney)

In this special episode, we are joined by Mike Sullivan, Co-Founder and Chief Growth Officer at OneDigital, and Vinay Gidwaney, OneDigital's Chief Product Officer, to discuss their new book, Workforce...

25 Aug 1h 23min

The Biggest Myths in Personal Finance

The Biggest Myths in Personal Finance

In this episode, Ben Felix and Dan Bortolotti take on 10 of the biggest myths in personal finance and investing. From the idea that young people should save every possible dollar to benefit from compo...

20 Aug 1h 13min

80 Years of Financial Knowledge in 53 Minutes | #422 (Bill Bernstein)

80 Years of Financial Knowledge in 53 Minutes | #422 (Bill Bernstein)

In this episode, we welcome back William Bernstein to discuss the final book of his longtime friend Jonathan Clements, Money and Me. Bill reflects on Jonathan's ideas about spending, happiness, retire...

13 Aug 53min

Barry Ritholtz: "90% of financial products are crap" | #421

Barry Ritholtz: "90% of financial products are crap" | #421

Barry Ritholtz returns to the Rational Reminder podcast to discuss the biggest mistakes investors make—and why avoiding them may matter more than finding the next great investment. Drawing on decades ...

6 Aug 1h 28min

Answering Your Financial Questions | #420

Answering Your Financial Questions | #420

In this Ask Me Anything episode, Ben Felix, Ben Wilson, and Louai Bibi tackle a wide-ranging collection of listener questions spanning investing, retirement, family finance, and financial planning. Al...

30 Jul 1h 35min

Populært innen Business og økonomi

stopp-verden
dine-penger-pengeradet
e24-podden
rss-penger-polser-og-politikk
lydartikler-fra-aftenposten
rss-borsmorgen-okonominyhetene
rss-skravla-gar
rss-pa-konto
pengepodden-2
utbytte
rss-orjasater
livet-pa-veien-med-jan-erik-larssen
finansredaksjonen
tid-er-penger-en-podcast-med-peter-warren
pengesnakk
stormkast-med-valebrokk-stordalen
lederpodden
morgenkaffen-med-finansavisen
rss-markedspuls-2
liberal-halvtime